In online gaming: the action or an act of deliberately spoiling other players’ enjoyment of a game by playing in a way that is intentionally disruptive and aggravating .
If they do it for the achievement it isn’t griefing. If they do it because they do not have other vehicles available to add in their lineup and no other options to spawn in it isn’t griefing.
For a long time there were BR-ranges in a couple of nations where there were no other option than to bring a much lower BR anti air for example.
The act of spawning a lower BR vehicle on its own isn’t griefing as there isn’t inherently any malice tied to that action.
It’s also much easier to achieve in GRB than air RB by a large margin. An M24 can be taken to 8.7+ and hunt light tanks with some success, but you can’t take a P-51C to 8.3 and expect the same thing.
IMO I’d add a +/- 2.0 or 3.0 BR spread at most for air RB. GRB should be kept as is, but require squad members to have atleast 1 vehicle within 7.0 BRs of the top BR in the squad lineup. Air sim can remain as is.
It pretty much is as that achievement is incentivizing griefing, which is absurd.
You’re deliberately spawning in a M22 in a top tier game, which is obviously disruptive to your team and causes aggravation.
You doing it for the achievement or not, it doesn’t really matter to your teammates as they’ll still be on the receiving end of your intentional decisions and thus will get annoyed by your critical lack of sportsmanship.
Yes, bringing the best thing the game allows you to bring isn’t griefing as you had no other choice. I doubt M22 or Stuart are your only choices when playing top tier US lol.
Ah yeah, just act confused and hope it’ll go away.
Like you being a goalkeeper in a football match but with a twist that you’re only sitting down for the whole duration. You don’t need to have any malice tied to that action in order to be griefing your team, as you obviously had no intentions to do (or spawn the best thing) your best in that game.
New player buys premium top tier tank, brings all available options to spawn.
Incorrect, yes you do, that is the entire meaning of the word semantically.
I will not sit here and pretend that it doesn’t effect the team as a whole negatively (but so does spawning in a stock vehicle). But calling it griefing is just objectively wrong. The word HAS TO have intentional malice tied to the action for it to apply. Words have meaning for a reason.
I think most of the participants seem to agree on a BR range reduction for squads in air RB. If someone wants to fight jets in biplanes, arcade is the place to do that.
Still really bad as dying drains your team’s tickets and opponents gain SP.
Your chances of ending that spawn in a net positive for your team are extremely small.
Also, players who do that but have whole TT researched is simply inexcusable.
Doesn’t take a genius to figure out you sitting in a goal or spawning a Reserve tier tank in a top tier game isn’t a normal human behavior and is nothing more than a rage bait.
Stock vehicle is forced on you, sitting in the goal as a goalkeeper for the whole match isn’t.
Proving malice is objectively impossible in most cases.
Yeah, I’m sitting down in my goal because I like to eat dirt off of my shoes while in an active game of football. I’m definitely not doing it to rage bait people and it’s definitely not “intentionally malicious”.
In my area you’d be very likely to get a kiss on the cheek for that “funni” and totally unintentional turn of events, as everyone would be amazed by your ingenuity to create “funni” mishaps.
Because they actively chosen to not spawn their best available vehicles for that nation/vehicle combination.
If you’re fine with that behavior I’m sure you wouldn’t oppose your teams being made of only God Mode hunters for the rest of your playtime. At the end of the day, they aren’t doing anything wrong, right ?
Because they’re going for the achievement ?
And don’t reply with: “How do people know it’s disruptive to bring Reserve tanks to top tier”.
It’s pretty relevant.
Would you get upset if you had nothing but God Mode hunters in your teams for the rest of your playtime ? Would you feel your experience is getting disrupted/spoiled by all those innocent people just hunting a simple achievement.
It’s a simple yes/no question but it’s obvious you’re refusing to answer as you yourself know it wouldn’t suit your agenda.
They have to do it with the purpose of being disrupting and aggravating, that HAS TO be the goal for the action for it to fall under griefing. It cannot be a biproduct or an unintentional consequence while they aim for something else. By your definition a bad player would be griefing just by being bad at the game.
You’re asking for my personal opinion about a specific in-game situation. it is irrelevant to your incorrect usage of a word during a discussion on the forum.
My answer does not matter to the discussion of your usage of the word “griefing”.
My answer could be yes, my answer could be no. Either way it wouldn’t effect the discussion and would only lead to sidetracks that has nothing to do with the word “griefing” and your usage of it.