TOW 2-B is utterly useless, Why is this missile even in the game still?

There is no super elevation needed for the TOW system nor will you find a reference to do so in any TOW gunnery manual.

The three steps for using a TOW are,

  1. align target in crosshairs
  2. depress trigger until weapon discharge
  3. keep target within crosshairs until target is destroyed

What you have in your video is a gunner flinching during launch as this is a manually stabilized mount.

It should be no surprise that having this missile fire would cause the gunner to lurch due to the kick charge blast and the sound produced.

What you are viewing inside the vehicle is a direct feed of the sight mounted ontop of the launcher itself not a remote weapons system as such has not been created for the Humvee.

This is not proof that the missile requires superelevation nor is it proof that the missile drops, rather it happens to be proof that the missile barely drops at all to begin with as, shown in your own clip, the missile barely dips at all below the visible heat signature which is where the autopilot of the missile is pre-loaded to fly to before the motors and flare kick in.

The lack of drop has also already been proven at length in the other TOW thread with the most recent proof being some fantastic footage of a Bradley slinging TOWs into a treeline, with functionally no visible drop from the gunner’s main sight.

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This is all very interesting but the TOW 2Bs issue isnt its drop its the damage it does

An explosively formed “slug” (because you are fixated on that for some reason) is closer to an AP round than a HEAT jet. I’m not asking for it to be modeled as a dart. (Where did you get that from?)

I’m asking for the “slug” to resist light ERA and interact with composite as if it was a heavy, slow KE penetrator (as it is in reality) instead of a bad CE penetrator. If you bother to actually look into how the “slug” functions when interacting with armor, it doesn’t activate light ERA as a HEAT jet would.

Why do you think that the TOW-2B, a weapon that was developed after the TOW-2A was doesn’t use an ERA defeating tandem warhead? Perhaps because the penetrator doesn’t need to have a precursor charge in order to defeat ERA before penetration? Could it possibly be the fact that a “slug” is in fact, inherently resistant to light ERA?

Waaaaaow, how craaazy is that, huh? A penetrator formed 1.5+ meters away from light ERA has a tendency to resist the disruptive mechanics of said ERA!

moon is closer to earth than sun so lets model moon as earth instead of the moon

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the realism is not being able to engage targets at close range. now i wanna see you guys strive for realism and say “yes sir this missile can kill targets at too close distance unlike in real life”

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This is common to all ATGMs, as arming distance was entirely removed as a convention; the same way gun barrels can phase though walls, even if they obviously can’t IRL.

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Let me guess, you keep getting killed by them and you think its OP. Try them and you’ll see how trash they are.

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guess if gun barrels can phase through walls every other unrealistic change can exist too.
and the missiles should drop to increase skill needed. games should require skill. uwu.

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Go ahead I don’t mind if it make up for more killing efficiency i’m welling to accept it

That is the absolute worst retort I have ever read on this website.

You want them to keep the TOW-2B modeled as a fat HEAT jet, which would be like modeling Enceladus as the Sun and Earth as a ball of ice.

no i already said it should be modelled as efp sludge. you clearly cant do anything but strawman fallacy.

Consider consulting Chapters; #9.7 and #14.4

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Also as an aside from PDF page #163 comes the following excerpt;

Penetration models for long rod projectiles are sometimes used in shaped charge penetration or EFP penetration studies. A large number of these exist [see Backman and Goldsmith (1978) and Zukas et al. (1982) for surveys of existing models].
However, many assume the projectile to be nondeforming. This eliminates much unpleasantness in modeling as well as a good deal of reality. Thus, only a few of the rod models can be applied to jet or EFP penetration studies.

Also worth considering is the formula on PDF page #165.

You need to read what fallacies are and stop fixating on “slugs” or “sludge”.

“However, many assume the projectile to be nondeforming. This eliminates much unpleasantness in modeling as well as a good deal of reality. Thus, only a few of the rod models can be applied to jet or EFP penetration studies.” so basically just as well as those rods could be applied to HEAT which means the sludge is as badly compatible with rods as HEAT is because only a few is almost none.
So, what you sent proved yourself wrong, no it shouldnt be modelled as a rod because its as incompatible as HEAT is.

I dont know why you are so much against sludges being modelled on their own. stop being biased its supposed to be a good thing.
and those compatible rods probably resemble a 1943 wooden mockups anyway lmao

This game I had in the AFT09 just about sums up the TOW2B

we need a democratic vote to force devs to use the tow2b in their games for 10 games

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I am amazed at the amount of people who try to aim centre mass with TOW-2B and expect it to magically blow up every enemy. Especially those who aim at the same spot every time and expect different results…

There was certainly some skill issue involved + a nice cosy rock + AFT09 surviving funny things. But the way the 2B was triggering seemed pretty odd. They did manage to pop a few tires and kill my decorations, so I’ll give them a little bronze star for that.

he shot in atleast 4 different spots. and checked double in some to make sure.
where tf would you have aimed?

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For full transparency - Bradley’s POV:

Smoked out the whole time, pretty much, with a chonky rock in the way. He makes no effort to move until he runs out of missiles, but he was probably afraid I had friendly units aiming that way. To be fair, with the amount of explosions he sent my way, you would think a light vehicle like the AFT09 would have popped.