The German Tornado IDS SLE urgently requires a BR reduction. Compared to other aircraft at its BR, it is inferior in almost every aspect. Many aircraft at lower BRs perform considerably better. For instance, the F-4S is superior to the Tornado in nearly every category, including overall combat effectiveness. This BR reduction request only concerns Air Battles.
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Yeah, The SLE/GR4 should be 12.0 alongside the Mirage F1s.
The Tonkas have superior defensive suites and are slightly faster, but lack radar and SARH (limited I know, but still better than none) and a usable dogfighting airframe, Tonka only works when the opponents screws up.
I think 12.0 would be all the buff needed short-term as it moves them out of sight of the Su-30 premiums.
Long term, would require decompression and ARB overhauls. Neither of which Gaijin really cares about
Dedicated strike aircraft that is SLE is being compared to multirole A2A fighter in A2A role (that is what i assume overall combat effectivness is) and OP is making it out to be some outrageous fact that F-4S is better.
Like yeah Sherlock, this one mustve been tough nut to crack.
In terms of base bombing performance, they are little better than the 11.3 Tornados only better CM count and MAWS. Heck the SLE is identical to the RET8 at 11.7 in that regard.
The only difference of note and the only reason for them to be any higher than 11.7 is the 2x IRCCM weapons fit.
So the entire BR for a ground attacker is based upon its A2A performance and in that, the A2A performance is barely suffecient to compete with 12.0s like the Mirage F1 or F-4s. Heck I wouldnt be confident in winning a fight against more than a few 11.7s in the GR4. Id try it, but I dont think I would succeed unless the opponent screwed up. (which thankfully does happen quite often)
So yes. The SLE/GR4 are ground attackers, and yes, comparing them to dedicated fighters is doomed to failure… but… they are at their current BR because of entirely that. Their supposed performance vs said fighters. Because the only logical reason for them to be at 12.3, is because Gaijin considers them superior in A2A performance than any other 12.0 aircraft. Which is just stupid
Dont get me wrong i do think strike tornadoes bar WTD61 are over BRed in current ARB enviroment, i just dont think the argument should be “its worse in A2A than dedicated fighter”.
Yeah. I agree. But that is the arena we have to argue for a BR reduction in. because if we argue on the ground of ground attacker performance. Its hard to really justify all that much higher than 11.3/11.7. And yet they are 12.3.
I just think its treating symptoms instead of cause.
Shuffling not just tornadoes but strike aircrafts in general around their A2A capability will never ever satisfy anyone since making them competetive in A2A would require 90% of them to sit at awkward BR (release state A-10/Su-25 anyone?).
Sure, 11.7 would help strike tornadoes massively in reaching their targets.
But having a mode where they can be useful if not vital in ground strike role would help them, and not just them, more.
You know this, i know this, we just need to bring more people on this side of argument.
Yep. But I do think a stop-gap BR of 12.0 is the least they can do in the meantime. Quite frankly. Im not sure why it was ever justified placing them at 12.3 to begin with, their closest equivalent would be the Mirage F1s
This applies for all Tornados in GRB. In air matches, there are much better planes for base busting at much lower BRs.
All this guided air to ground ordnance is totally meaningless in Air RB. All you need is speed to be 1st over any base and napalm bombs (you need less of these to kill a base than HE ones, means more speed for the carrier jet). Compared to fighters or other aircraft with napalm, your Nado is always too slow. Air vs. air the missile count is very limited (2 lol) and the flight model is too bad. It could be much lower BRed.
Well, for illustration…Italian MLU.8 , has 4 HARMs like SLE, has MAWS like SLE, has much better selection of bombs than SLE, just doesn’t have Brimstomes…and is at - 11.7 !?
SLE should go down to 11.7, or so. It has nothing on MLU.8 except Brimstones, while MLU.8 has GBU-39s, large JDAMs, etc., that SLE doesn’t.
stop huffing your own supply bro, it’s being compared because air rb is nothing but tdm and you’ll still grind faster using the tornado as a fighter because you won’t reach the bases before someone else 99% of the time. also f4 can carry what, 1 less bomb? dude that’s extremely comparable lmao.