Morvran
October 30, 2024, 11:10pm
1141
Yep…
This is purely looking at Air Realistic and Air Simulator
The Tornado Gr4 coming in this update currently has a 12.3 BR and I think this is WAY too high and should be 12.0 in both gamemodes. Here is my reasoning why.
First. Comparison to the earlier Tornado’s. At it’s core the Tornado Gr4 has a 100% Identical airframe to the Torando IDSs located at 11.3. It has no additional engine power or handling performance. What has changed, is its loadout.
It is replacing the Aim-9L with the Aim-9M, an …
ARB, you’ll rarely get to a base because you’ll be defending against Su-34s, ICEs, firing ARH and the F-16s and F-15As firing IR missiles at you
in ASB yo’ll be edge skirting like mad, like we had to during all of 2023. At least this time we can fight back / defend ourselves a bit, but nothing you can do if a Mig-29 gets on your tail, might as well J-out
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Wait, isn’t the BR of the Su-34 13.7?
Morvran
October 30, 2024, 11:27pm
1143
Nope. 13.3 in RB and sim. because of course the the Su-34 is equal in performance to the Tornado F3 Late
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ehhhh in air to air regard i dont think the F3 late should be 13.3 but it’s not as doomed against the Su-34 as it seems.
Morvran
October 30, 2024, 11:28pm
1145
F3 has the BVR advantage, but as soon as it goes WVR, F3 is dead. Cant out turn it out, cant out run it and R-73s and R-77s are great in a dogfight. With BOL so weak, it can barely defend itself against either, especially at close range
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bruh that thing should be 13.7 not 13.3
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also any idea what the HMD on tornado Gr4 will look like?
huh neat will it have the IFF for friendlies like the A-10C and what appears to be the Mirage 2000 RMV?
also massive nerf for nato RWRs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9HlT5tiTWY
for some reason it wont embed
Why? It’s a fatter Su-27 with a better radar (that it’s missiles can’t even fully use) and no HMD
luque13
October 31, 2024, 5:43pm
1152
PESA Radar, ARHMs and by all accounts a pretty good fm.
At the same BR Tornado GR.4 doesnt have an A2A Radar, no ARHM and 2 Aim9M for defence.
That’s an issue of Tornadoes being over BR’d in general, not the Su-34 being under BR’d
luque13
October 31, 2024, 5:45pm
1155
We can only use the metrics we have.
Su-34 with its ground ordinance alone should be top tier with the F-15E
Mirage could also join that level
With Tornado below them
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luque13
October 31, 2024, 5:47pm
1156
Have seen some drv server footage it pulls crazy AOA while also being pretty quick.
Yes and the Tornados should be lower
It is. In ground RB.
The Mirage is already 13.7
I have played it. It pulls crazy AOA… in exchange for all of it’s speed. And it is anything but quick.
luque13
October 31, 2024, 5:50pm
1158
I havent flown it likely will never unlock it.
AOA for the R73 should be spicy though
I mean not really, like I said you dump all your speed. It has no HMD so the super maneuverable missiles aren’t very useful.
You get insane dogfighting missiles on a plane that can’t keep it’s speed after half a circle.
The ACM rectangle is pretty tall though so I suppose that is a decent consolation price.
luque13
October 31, 2024, 6:03pm
1161
Thats realistic though its the last chance button.
Trade all your energy for that one chance.