ah yeah, forgot about this paper f-16
But implied. “We can’t give have an effective counter to an already overpowered/unbalanced asset/mechanic. That would be bad for balancing”.
Nope, not what was said nor implied.
Just because asking for a 500kg bomb in that analogy is unfair and not reasonable doesn’t exclude the option of asking for a rifle to make it fair.
Like i stated later here:
I agree, but LOAL would swing the balance wayyyyy too far in the other direction and the game wouldn’t be any more balanced then either
It would further ruin the ground vehicle experience in… checks notes ground battles
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If we are talking about launching a large number of missiles from a long range, then as far as I remember, the Brimstones have a “slightly lower” speed than the X-38)
SPAA will be able to reach the shelter 1000 times and shoot them down 2000 times if desired
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Literally makes ZERO sense.
Soooo this jet and brimstone isnt worth it…? You can get the grippen and GR7 with fire and forget AGMs, how is that balanced but the brimstones not. You can fire and forget multiple IR AGM’s which is balanced but u cant fire and forget a brimstone because its unbalanced…? Not that bothered about the whole target after launch but everyone was hoping for fire and forget like the american missiles… maybe thats why, cause its british and Gaijin devs dont like the british.
Do you really expect us to be firing, waiting for 1 missile to hit, fire another and wait over and over while flying around the battlefield? Hows that going to happen with the pantsir and other OP SPAA’s? Get shot down before even finding a target.
I want know how they expect this to work against the OP pantisr and why america missiles can be fire forget but tge brimstones cant?
Someone help me understand.
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But it is.
And people have argued for a rifle. Numerous times. Where are our HARM-88s/ARMs? They’ve also argued the point of “okay, if you can’t give me a rifle, don’t give him a pistol” (remove the Pantsir/nerf the KH38). And still nothing. But now we are getting a 500kg bomb but it’s not really a 500kg bomb because them having something better than me is the balance when it’s really not.
This is why the dev comment is slap to the face and shows they don’t seem to play their own game.
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So what would you want to add for other techtree to match the KH38’s long range F&F capability, and the Pantisr-S1?or just do nothing and say that is balance?
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You dont add anything, you REMOVE it. they never should have added KH38s to begin with when they can be launched outside of all SAM ranges and most SAMs are in capable of tracking/locking them to intercept
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In my opinion, when they refuse to make the Brimstones accurate, then the only fair choice would be to nerf or outright remove the quoted system. Why should Russia be allowed to have them, but for other nations it is suddenly OP?
Nah, this is unfair.
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It literally isn’t.
It’s the logical fallacy of excluding one thing just because another is excluded with no connection between the two.
It’s like you’re saying this (exaggerating for emphasis):
“no, you can’t have icecream.”
“So you’re saying i can’t eat any food at all.”
It doesn’t work like that.
The rest of your comment might be true, i don’t know. it also wasn’t part of the discussion i was having or the argument made.
Edit:
Edited for clarity.
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Could not agree more, I understand brimstones not being added with LOAL (this would break the game further) as they also ignore smoke screens due to radar lock (similar to hellfire Limas) but if they are capable of adding a half baked version of a weapon then I dont see why the Kh38s can not have the same treatment or be removed.
That dev response ironically makes this entire “balance” argument worse because it implies Kh38s are “balanced” :D
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What the dev comment is saying here is,
“We can’t give you the full capability of this weapon because it would actually balance the imbalance we have implemented because we perceive the current state of imbalance to in fact be…balanced. Despite the fact that the missile comes with a noticeable con which actually sounds like a fair trade off (ie balance). “Hey fire this wildly, and you could hit your own teammates so be smart in how you use it).”
So instead they nerf it and people are defending that, which just seems wild.
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It would make it even less balanced lmao
The solution to imbalance is not to create more imbalance, it’s to add balance by adding effective solutions.
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Bro, literally Pansir, you don’t even need to try, just lock and shot. If you die, just spawn in a backup for <200 SP…
Again, Pansir, sh*t can launch missiles at you even before you spawn. Most of airspawns are ± 13km from the battle, thing has 18km in range, <10km you ‘almost’ can’t dodge it (unless someone can’t aim).
Increase spawn points required to spawn backup for SPAA, now it’s like 90 → 150 which is a joke.
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That’s a false comparison. Just because I said you can’t have ice cream doesn’t mean I’m restricting all food. Ice cream is just one specific option, and there are plenty of other foods you can still have. The decision about ice cream doesn’t automatically apply to everything else.
That’s exactly what i said?
My comparison was to show what the other user was saying and how it doesn’t work like that.
(i’ll edit it for clarity)
Probably yes, because IRL they aren’t
and the KH-38 ont even need a direct hit, It’s 152kg TNT explosive mass performance close to a 600lb bmob or the Kab-500Kr guide bomb
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