Tornado GR.4: Tenacious Tonka

[Necronomica]

@lmÖrÏ9

The first problem is the render distance, it will just not show your target at 20km away

@lmÖrÏ9

The second problem is when you spawn in the air, you probably will be like 22 km away from enemy spawn point (Pantisr-S1), and you will be locked on after secs you spawn.

so, turn around and climb in the opposite direction from the field.

[Dontkev]

@Thodin

All you might expect over the current ingame loadout are JDAMs (Would have no impact in current game modes ARB / GRB).

Not true, JDAMs are fun to use even in GRB

[richthofen122]

Oh, who would have expected the blatant Russian bias from a totally not Russian Company…

[Little_relaxed45]

Not unless gaijin becomes based and MFRL-pilled. Also, the hope and hosbo bombs.

[J3SUS_Chr1st]

@Dontkev

Japan have better CAS than Germany

only f-5e with 4x AGMs(which is a squadron vehicle)/ I wouldn’t not call it a better option

[MokaMoki]

So it’s okay to maintain the imbalance then. Because it’s only fair that one nation gets better capability and no one else.

See how that also doesn’t track logically?

[TheSoloWing_Pixy]

And then you were forcibly repatriated from the map border and then shot down by the Pantisr or AAM.

[Flogger_cbs]

@Gunjob

If you cannot see the potential of this weapon, that’s a skill issue. Even without ARH this is a very potent weapon.

Well, if even the moderators in this game are unaware that there are other modes besides GRB, then there’s nothing you can do about it.

[MokaMoki]

But the game is already not balanced. This comes across as gatekeeping an effective counter to a massive imbalance already. This was an L take on all fronts.

[Thodin]

@Dontkev

Not true, JDAMs are fun to use even in GRB

Oh, how can it be used? I would have imagined that JDAMs would be useless vs. moving ground targets. How are you using them?

[Dontkev]

F-16AJ is real wirh 6x AGM-65B and Aim-9L

[CHARM_3]

They are not fire and forget, may aswell use the GR7 or Grippen with the AGM-64U or whatever they called which are fire and forget. Practically useless.

[CHARM_3]

But there’s lots of other missiles that are fire and forget, how is that fair?

[MommyDommyEnjyr]

@Stona_WT

Developer comment: We’d like to mention that Brimstone will only have semi-active laser homing (SAL) mode in the game. The fire and forget mode and the active radar homing seeker will not be available for a few reasons. The primary reason is that this seeker utilizes the “lock-on after launch (LOAL)” mode, this mode allows the weapon to be fired in the general area of a target without needing any actual precision from the operator, who can remain at long range in complete safety.

We feel weapons that can be used outside of the direct line of sight of the target without needing any preliminary reconnaissance or direct user targeting are not currently workable for the game. Weapons such as Brimstone, AGM-114L cause a particular problem and similarly to other ATGMs that have lock after launch modes like the Spike and AJ.168 will not have such abilities in the game.

These weapon types present several issues all at once, they require no challenge to use effectively and have no counterplay options for those being attacked. The attacker can operate outside of the range of any anti-air system in the game, Brimstone is also immune to smoke, so this won’t help either.

ARH modes for air-to-ground weapons won’t be workable until natural and artificial interference to these guidance systems can be implemented, as there are no electronic reconnaissance and electronic warfare systems in the game. Adding these weapons now would allow them to operate perfectly without any counter, which we don’t want to do. Additionally, at closer combat ranges ATGMs with ARH cannot distinguish between allied and enemy targets, and this would lead to a large amount of accidental teamkills as well.

So why does the Su25SM3 get Kh-38s that have a range far exceeding anything SAMs are capable of engaging at… these present a balance problem yet were given, why is balance now an actual problem

[Necronomica]

Not what i said :)

[Dontkev]

1: search for AA since they dont like to move
2: search for tanks which are on an spot and dont move
3: search targets and predict there path

[BasherBenDawg8]

@Dontkev

F-16AJ is real

[J3SUS_Chr1st]

@Dontkev

F-16AJ is real wirh 6x AGM-65B and Aim-9L

ah yeah, forgot about this paper f-16

[MokaMoki]

But implied. “We can’t give have an effective counter to an already overpowered/unbalanced asset/mechanic. That would be bad for balancing”.

[Necronomica]

@MokaMoki

But implied. “We can’t give have an effective counter to an already overpowered/unbalanced asset/mechanic. That would be bad for balancing”.

Nope, not what was said nor implied.
Just because asking for a 500kg bomb in that analogy is unfair and not reasonable doesn’t exclude the option of asking for a rifle to make it fair.

Like i stated later here:

Tornado GR.4: Tenacious Tonka

I don’t think so, i think those differ more like a gun vs a rifle. sure, both can shoot at distance but one is better than the other (it was an exaggeration for sake of argument, not a precise comparison). But a 500kg bomb would still be leagues above either choice to the point that it’s not even funny anymore. Arguing that the rifle is better than the pistol doesn’t really have anything to do with them saying “we don’t want to give one side or the other a 500kg bomb as it would make it so unfa…