Tornado GR.4: Tenacious Tonka

it should’ve been a premium

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JK

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l3/33 and m22

sorry you want the british version given to other countries? britian was the only country to opperate it, also stop crying italy already has one of the best air

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In the worst sense of the word.

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why don’t just do the same thing as they did to AJ.168? make it unhistorical to be a normal F&F weapon, and then it clould be “balance”, as another long range F&F missile as the KH-38, but with less explosive(6.3+0.1kg HEAT vs 152kg HE), if you think GR.4 carry too many F&F Brimstone will break “balance” you clould limit the amount it could carry, like what they do to the KH-29TE on the JH-7A

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So basically either the missile needs to be added with fully capability.

Or, it can come to the game in an inaccurate, nerfed state but alongside viable SPAA counters to the Panstir (or just remove it and find something else similar to existing units) and a nerf to the KH38.

Because balance seems to really matter here despite the existing imbalance.

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Can someone answer this and help me understand it? Tornado GR.4: Tenacious Tonka - #188 by Jack_R

I really, really want a SPAA that has more than 8km effective range! The VT-1 reacts like a dump truck on a Go-Kart track beyond that range, same as the Tor missiles and the Pantsir is Russian…

Only Russia has a decent Top Tier SPAA, everyone else gets bombed from Orbit…

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It doesn’t balance it. Not every nation gets stuff like that, so it shouldn’t be reserved for one. I’d also like to add that these with their full capability will be so much better than anything else in WT.

Also, no AA in the game can defeat a competent CAS player too.

Because a Brimstone would be able to be fired without seeing the target (like from behind a mountain) and the missile would find the target on its own without the plane ever being visible to the enemy or having to pick the target through a pod.
Brimstone would also be radar seeking so smokes wouldn’t stop the tracking as it does IR missiles.

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The Brimstone’s mmW seeker would be immune to smoke grenades (personally I’d like a mode 2 Brimstone with a very limited mmW range)

I imagine you’ll be able to ripple fire, same as with Hellfires

You spam all 9 at one Pantsir and hope for the best

the Historical brimstone is not a simple F&F weapon, what it perform is Lock-on After Launch, pliot can launch all the missile and let them found target by themselve only, and they use millimetric-wave active radar homing which casue they can ignore smoke, which is too op to the game( and also may cause many teamkill)

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If only devs could implemet them as IR… you know, for “balancing reasons”

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I belive the best way is make it as a normal F&F weapon as the AJ.168

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Looks like someone forgot Khrizantema-S. Guess what? Of course a Russian vehicle lol.

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  1. Why do you stubbornly ignore the suggestions about Brimstones that are being made in this thread and that solve the “balance” issues?
  2. Why can’t Brimstones be historically accurate in other modes, like ARB and Sim EC? What balance would be broken in this case?
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That might perhaps be an idea. It would sort of give them the function but gimped for balance.
I think the issue there might be that they never functioned that way IRL and would then in practise just be a made up missile existing only for balance.

If they’re Brimstone I, sure, but the fact the one in-game is SAL means it’s one of the more modern multi-mode variants. Mode 1 is SAL only, which is what we have in-game. Mode 2 is SAL + mmW, which allows the pilot to tell the missile exactly what to lock, following the laser until the terminal mmW guidance. Mode 3 is full self-guidance, which is the mode that lets you fire in salvos, designate specific areas, and doesn’t require a visual of the targets.

If Gaijin are happy to give us a Mode 1 only version (I could be wrong but I think multi-mode seekers aren’t possible at the moment?), then (in future) there’s no issue with adding a separate Mode 2 variant with Mode 3 never coming to the game.

Sounds balanced to me, gaijin when???