Tornado GR.4: Tenacious Tonka

What is the current BR of the GR4 in the sim?

12.3. Which means 12.7 due to no 12.3 bracket. So will be evading Mig-29s and F-16MLUs every match or F-4F ICEs in slight uptier matches

Please keep it on topic, you guys can cut that discussion or take it elsewhere.

I have yet to see an answer as to why the ability to track a target through smoke is so game breaking that the Brimstones cant be added with Mode 2 functional. That is the only advantage they would have over other AGMs. Why is the line here instead of the other reasons mentioned in the Dev blog? Surely being able to fire from beyond the range of AA is far more broken then tracking through smoke. Yet this reason is redundant as it already exists in game.

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Oh, no, that’s literally unplayable. Crawling on the belly from the 29 and 141, and with only SAL missiles.

Yep…

ARB, you’ll rarely get to a base because you’ll be defending against Su-34s, ICEs, firing ARH and the F-16s and F-15As firing IR missiles at you

in ASB yo’ll be edge skirting like mad, like we had to during all of 2023. At least this time we can fight back / defend ourselves a bit, but nothing you can do if a Mig-29 gets on your tail, might as well J-out

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Wait, isn’t the BR of the Su-34 13.7?

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Nope. 13.3 in RB and sim. because of course the the Su-34 is equal in performance to the Tornado F3 Late

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ehhhh in air to air regard i dont think the F3 late should be 13.3 but it’s not as doomed against the Su-34 as it seems.

F3 has the BVR advantage, but as soon as it goes WVR, F3 is dead. Cant out turn it out, cant out run it and R-73s and R-77s are great in a dogfight. With BOL so weak, it can barely defend itself against either, especially at close range

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bruh that thing should be 13.7 not 13.3

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Yup

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also any idea what the HMD on tornado Gr4 will look like?

huh neat will it have the IFF for friendlies like the A-10C and what appears to be the Mirage 2000 RMV?

also massive nerf for nato RWRs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9HlT5tiTWY

for some reason it wont embed

Why? It’s a fatter Su-27 with a better radar (that it’s missiles can’t even fully use) and no HMD

PESA Radar, ARHMs and by all accounts a pretty good fm.

At the same BR Tornado GR.4 doesnt have an A2A Radar, no ARHM and 2 Aim9M for defence.

Not a good FM at all

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That’s an issue of Tornadoes being over BR’d in general, not the Su-34 being under BR’d

We can only use the metrics we have.
Su-34 with its ground ordinance alone should be top tier with the F-15E

Mirage could also join that level
With Tornado below them

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