Do i have to offer my lung to Chinese community or what? Dawg i just want to play my own nation in WT and i wait for Thai vehicle for like 7 year dawg
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It’s a modification of a German tank, it’s pure logic that it goes to Germany, if Poland was a sub tree for example in the USSR, it would go to the USSR. Same logic applies to the Thai VT-4
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didn’t see that apply to Thai VT-4 big thanks to Chinese.
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None of those, but there is a few domestic aircraft and MLRS, generally for the lower ranks. Not a lot, but something.
Anyways for this one I don’t think it’s a good permanent solution either, mainly for the reason of DMM and, as you said, Japan just being the more popular nation. It’s more of a temporary solution for Gaijin to use while working on a more extensive rework of the subtree system.
But I don’t think it’s harmful.
Whether we like it or not, Gaijin will do something in response to the controversy, and knowing Gaijin they won’t care for Thai/international player opinions and just go for whatever way they think is easy. It’s easy for them to say Thailand won’t ever get the VT-4, or the Thai subtree will be removed from Japan, but neither of those are fair.
Changing the nations name and flag (which affects only the techtree, not the operator nation of any Japanese vehicle) is a change that can fix the problem Chinese players have similarly easily without hindering or sabotaging Thailand and Japan functionally.
I wouldn’t actively want this change, if it wasn’t for what’s going on on the forums I wouldn’t even suggest it, but I would prefer it over the alternatives.
Of course ideally I’d still rather see the subtree rework, which is a change I already wanted before and just so happens to help here. But that takes time and effort, I don’t think Gaijin is willing to choose it over an easy solution.
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Thailand has VT4 there cannot be any objection to that in any way, shape or form.
Japan already has Thailand as a subtree, just like other nations you mentioned, that’s how countries with narrow vehicle pools are added into the game.
just lol, lmao even. what implication? VT4 comes with Thai flag, only thing related to Japan itself is the access through lower tier Japanese vehicles and even then Chinese have no saying in this, especially when this topic concerns Thai and Jap players waaaaay more than Chinese whether you like it or not.
there’s no need for a solution since there’s no “need”. demands however can be made but even they are arguably pointless for the fact I mentioned above, period.
VT-4 and T-84 will come into the game under Thai banner and we all know that Thailand (at least for the foreseeable future) will be accessed through Japanese tech tree, exactly like the BeNeLux through France, or S.Africa, India through UK and Nordics through Sweden.
Yes, that’s why I stated it as a basic need that can’t be objected to.
Yeah, this is what I meant as well. The Thai subtree should not be removed, neither should Indonesia. But of these are supported by players from those nations, and they are the only ones that should be able to object (which they haven’t). Otherwise it’s not a fair treatment compared to other nations.
You know ASEAN itself also got their own “disagreement” right? Changing Japan to Thailand sure will shuted those Chinese players’ mouths but also causing other ASEAN players unhappy, the forum will be more “interesting” that time😅
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The “needs” are fair treatment for Thailand and Japan, as those should be treated fairly by standards already set in the game by other nations.
The demands, whether we like it ot not, not only exist but will cause a reaction from Gaijin in some way. They may reject them, but they may also just block a Thai tank or remove the entire subtree from Japan. I’m not taking my chances with that, so if there is a way to suggest a solution that doesn’t involve such unfairness that the Chinese community might agree on then I’m taking it.
And since that chance just so happens to be an opportunity to advertise my subtree rework, which has no relation to this issue and just so happens to solve it anyways, then I’m absolutely taking that chance.
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Damn. I wonder what was the Gaijin’s reaction when India became subtree within the UK subtree…
Gaijin doing anything because community didn’t like it: ❌
Gaijin doing anything because Chinese community didn’t like it: ✔️
Maybe, now that you mention it I didn’t actually think about that. I just thought if we don’t put any Cambodian vehicles under the Thai flag this should still not be worse than now, but considering the VT-4 situation was similarly unexpected for me I guess I wouldn’t know unless it happens.
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But if you know history, you’ll find that the Chinese army actually captured Japanese tanks. And Japan doesn’t possess the VT-4. So for two countries with such a strong historical connection, this approach is actually inappropriate.
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No, ASEAN disagreement not all about political, is just pure hate drived by nationalism, but luckily (or in this case unlucky) they just fight on internet 😅
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Ok let make it fair then
If Thai can’t get VT-4 because of Chinese made tank
Then Chinese shouldn’t get foreign made tank as well Remove them all
or remove Taiwan tree from Chinese and make it US sub tree because majority of Taiwanese vehicles are US made.
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I don’t like it either, but it’s where we’re at.
I still want to stand my ground that no change that functionally limits Thailand, Japan or Indonesia as they are now should be acceptable, but I do think that this is more likely achieved if we find some level of common ground with Chinese players.
Again the basic demand they voiced is:
- No implied Japanese ownership of Chinese vehicles
→ Not necessarily meant as an attack against Thailand or Japan, even if it comes across like it. In theory this is a semantic issue. If Gaijin can assure that it becomes impossible to get the problematic implication it’s already fixed without needing to sabotage Thailand or Japan.
This is why I’m trying to bring up solutions. Right now we are at a 50/50 of Gaijin rejects the demands or Gaijin goes through with them (possibly with Gaijin™ solution like no VT-4 for Thailand or removing the subtree from Japan). This is bad odds for us, but it’s also bad odds for the Chinese side.
So if we can get both sides to agree on a solution that’s seen as fair to both, this benefits everyone.
Because Japan don’t get Chinese VT-4 it’s Thai VT-4
Both mainland China and Taiwan actually possess these weapons. There’s no doubt they do. But Japan has never possessed the VT-4. Even putting it under Thailand’s banner is confusing. For example, because the Soviet Union won the war against Finland, Finland was incorporated into the Soviet Union, and now Finland’s “German tanks” are being incorporated into Russia.
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Is not about Japan… Is because of Thailand. Thailand equiped VT-4 and Thailand is the subtree of Japan, that is why Japan got the VT-4. Isn’t like the vehicle isself added as Japanese vehicle.
Even putting it under Thailand’s banner is confusing. For example, because the Soviet Union won the war against Finland, Finland was incorporated into the Soviet Union, and now Finland’s “German tanks” are being incorporated into Russia.I live in Germany, and I know very well that if news like this were to break out now, many European players would probably be very angry.
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This is not how subtrees work. Finland isn’t part of Sweden, Hungary isn’t part of Italy, the Netherlands aren’t part of France, just to name a few.
While the trees are still named after one nation, they are effectively two nations trees at the same time. Thailand isn’t a part of Japan as a nation, it is another individual nation that shares the research tree.
I also don’t think we’ll get any subtree because a nation won a war against another. What Gaijin rather look for is positive relations as well as approval from players that are actually from these nations.
Now if for example these Finnish players approved though, there is nothing I as a German could say against their Leopards going into such a subtree.
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50/50? I highly doubt that. Thailand is already here and they do have VT-4 which will be added as the current top tier tank in that subtree. It’s more like a last ditch effort from Chinese which frankly makes no sense at all.
In that context, there’s no need for a solution.