Personally I’d say it depends where it comes from. If it’s actually Russian or from a subtree it’s fine, if it’s literally German (as in Germany operated) then it isn’t.
Yeah, current politics are an issue, but for that I’d again point to the golden rule subtrees should follow, which is approval of players from that nation. If it isn’t there, it shouldn’t be a subtree, but if it is approved then I won’t complain about my nations exported vehicles going to said subtree.
However, the technology trees of Finland and Sweden do not involve countries with which they have historical disputes.
I think a better example is the split of East/West Germany. Both claimed to be Germany and called themselves German, but they were still two separately acting governments and militaries for many years.
The only real difference is that PRC and ROC aren’t unified.
I don’t think that was the point. Two nations can still be in the China tree for considering themselves China, just like there’s 4 different nations in the German tree that are all Germany (German Empire, Nazi Germany, East Germany, West Germany), yet nobody objects to them in the German tree.
This example is not valid, I don’t think there were any finland used German vehicle added to USSR TT at least after Finland given to Sweden TT subtree. If you talking about IRL then your discussion is out of bound, we talking about the games only
Furthermore, China is actually Thailand’s top trading partner, military partner, tourism partner, and import/export partner. Thailand’s only military ally is the United States. Your claim is untenable.
Hm you see Polish tanks in German TT ?
Leopard 2PL
Germany did horrible things to them 80years ago
Yet no Polish players act like Chinese does.
I just followed the official logic of assigning Thailand to Finland, but the official did not design Thailand according to this plan. If it were according to the logic of assigning it to Finland, Thailand should have an independent Southeast Asian country technology tree along with other Southeast Asian countries.
did i somehow fell asleep and woke in alternate reality? or did i miss something?
That’s different. Didn’t Poland buy its tanks from Germany? Didn’t Japan buy Chinese tanks? Are they technically the same? This isn’t something Japan sold to Thailand. It’s a third-party tank being added to Japan’s fleet.
Is other way around China sold it to Thailand
I would love to give you a reply but it would be totally off topic and political so I’ll let it slide. But again, there’s nothing wrong with Thailand being subtree to Japan when China has Taiwan. Therefore VT-4 should have it’s place in Japan Tech Tree under Thailand flag.
The thing is a combination of:
Japan needs a subtree, and when you try to get nations that have some form of military connection, friendly relations and playerbase support there’s really only three options, Thailand, Indonesia and the Philippines.
Going without a subtree isn’t fair compared to other nations, like Britain for example, a nation with more individual potential, two significant subtrees (South Africa and India), as well as two more on-off semi-subtrees in Australia and Canada.
Even when taking the full selection of subtrees Japan could get they cann’t match a tree like the USA in terms of potential, so they were preferred over the USA when it came to adding Thailand. For China I do see a chance for a subtree, even if they also have more individual potential than Japan, but they also have alternatives such as Pakistan, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Laos, North Korea and more that could be added and fit subtree criteria.
And lastly, it was simply a popular idea, specifically with Thai players, who are arguably the ones that need to make the decision.
Did Sweden buy Finnish Leopard 2a6?
No but Sweden got Leopard 2a6 as Finland sub tree even Sweden never brought any Leopard 2a6 they have their own Strv122
Same goes as Thai VT-4 ofc Japan didn’t buy any VT-4 but it get it as Sub tree
This whole incident is silly because Chinese just got butt hurt about it.
Just told them to relax, when your government decided to sent those equipment to Ukraine then you should be prepared they fall into the hand of Russian. Same with VT-4.
Ok, let’s shift a little bit to real-life politics, the genius part of “One China Policy” is that the US didn’t said which China they recognized. The only prove is just they cut off their formally diplomatic relationship with Taipei and formed a formally diplomatic ties with Beijing. But can this become the critical evident to said Taiwan is not a sovereign state? No. A state normally decided by 4 element, population, territory, government, and sovereignty, sometimes the scholar might including the 5th element which is the international recognition. And in Taiwan cases, they got all 4 element + limited international recognition, so in conclusion they are de facto sovereign state.
Independent ASEAN tree is impossible, they are lack of vehicle.
In fact, I’m more inclined to compromise. If the Chinese acquire vehicles from Singapore and Malaysia, then it would be perfectly reasonable for Japan to do the same. The real question is: why do some people insist on fulfilling Japan’s WWII ambitions while simultaneously opposing the Chinese obtaining vehicles from Southeast Asian nations? Some players still think Taiwan is a sub-tree rather than the foundation supporting the entire early tech tree. (I really hope Gaijin acknowledges this, so they’ll lose their investments in China)
And also as a part of the promise, when the Thai sub tree was confirmed to be added to Japan, the GM said VT4 won’t be added.
Quite impossible, lack of relations and there are a ongoing dispute between them and China
Because that’s not the point, “Japans WWII ambitions” are not grounds for any subtree. If they were Korea would be a subtree for Japan. But it isn’t and never will be, because Korean players don’t want that.
What matters most for subtrees is modern day player opinion from the affected nations, since those are the ones that will play it. If that isn’t there, there is no subtree.
Thai players supported the idea, that’s why it’s done.
Nobody does that, they only oppose the Chinese tree obtaining subtrees of nations where the players don’t support it. Singapore going to China wasn’t rejected because “people didn’t want China to have SEA vehicles”, but because Singaporean players were against it. Think of it as the China equivalent of Korea, they don’t want it so it’s not worth arguing for.
There is subtrees that China could receive that players from those nations actively support, such as Pakistan and Bangladesh, North Korea is another easy option in case a Korean tree doesn’t work out, and I’m sure there’s even more where I simply don’t know enough about their playerbases.
Those should be the first to consider for China, and I guarantee you it will be very rare to see anyone object to a “Pakistani subtree for China” announcement if it came out now.
Really not surprise they opposed this😅