You know ASEAN itself also got their own “disagreement” right? Changing Japan to Thailand sure will shuted those Chinese players’ mouths but also causing other ASEAN players unhappy, the forum will be more “interesting” that time😅
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The “needs” are fair treatment for Thailand and Japan, as those should be treated fairly by standards already set in the game by other nations.
The demands, whether we like it ot not, not only exist but will cause a reaction from Gaijin in some way. They may reject them, but they may also just block a Thai tank or remove the entire subtree from Japan. I’m not taking my chances with that, so if there is a way to suggest a solution that doesn’t involve such unfairness that the Chinese community might agree on then I’m taking it.
And since that chance just so happens to be an opportunity to advertise my subtree rework, which has no relation to this issue and just so happens to solve it anyways, then I’m absolutely taking that chance.
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Damn. I wonder what was the Gaijin’s reaction when India became subtree within the UK subtree…
Gaijin doing anything because community didn’t like it: ❌
Gaijin doing anything because Chinese community didn’t like it: ✔️
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Maybe, now that you mention it I didn’t actually think about that. I just thought if we don’t put any Cambodian vehicles under the Thai flag this should still not be worse than now, but considering the VT-4 situation was similarly unexpected for me I guess I wouldn’t know unless it happens.
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But if you know history, you’ll find that the Chinese army actually captured Japanese tanks. And Japan doesn’t possess the VT-4. So for two countries with such a strong historical connection, this approach is actually inappropriate.
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No, ASEAN disagreement not all about political, is just pure hate drived by nationalism, but luckily (or in this case unlucky) they just fight on internet 😅
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Ok let make it fair then
If Thai can’t get VT-4 because of Chinese made tank
Then Chinese shouldn’t get foreign made tank as well Remove them all
or remove Taiwan tree from Chinese and make it US sub tree because majority of Taiwanese vehicles are US made.
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I don’t like it either, but it’s where we’re at.
I still want to stand my ground that no change that functionally limits Thailand, Japan or Indonesia as they are now should be acceptable, but I do think that this is more likely achieved if we find some level of common ground with Chinese players.
Again the basic demand they voiced is:
- No implied Japanese ownership of Chinese vehicles
→ Not necessarily meant as an attack against Thailand or Japan, even if it comes across like it. In theory this is a semantic issue. If Gaijin can assure that it becomes impossible to get the problematic implication it’s already fixed without needing to sabotage Thailand or Japan.
This is why I’m trying to bring up solutions. Right now we are at a 50/50 of Gaijin rejects the demands or Gaijin goes through with them (possibly with Gaijin™ solution like no VT-4 for Thailand or removing the subtree from Japan). This is bad odds for us, but it’s also bad odds for the Chinese side.
So if we can get both sides to agree on a solution that’s seen as fair to both, this benefits everyone.
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Because Japan don’t get Chinese VT-4 it’s Thai VT-4
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Both mainland China and Taiwan actually possess these weapons. There’s no doubt they do. But Japan has never possessed the VT-4. Even putting it under Thailand’s banner is confusing. For example, because the Soviet Union won the war against Finland, Finland was incorporated into the Soviet Union, and now Finland’s “German tanks” are being incorporated into Russia.
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Is not about Japan… Is because of Thailand. Thailand equiped VT-4 and Thailand is the subtree of Japan, that is why Japan got the VT-4. Isn’t like the vehicle isself added as Japanese vehicle.
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Even putting it under Thailand’s banner is confusing. For example, because the Soviet Union won the war against Finland, Finland was incorporated into the Soviet Union, and now Finland’s “German tanks” are being incorporated into Russia.I live in Germany, and I know very well that if news like this were to break out now, many European players would probably be very angry.
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This is not how subtrees work. Finland isn’t part of Sweden, Hungary isn’t part of Italy, the Netherlands aren’t part of France, just to name a few.
While the trees are still named after one nation, they are effectively two nations trees at the same time. Thailand isn’t a part of Japan as a nation, it is another individual nation that shares the research tree.
I also don’t think we’ll get any subtree because a nation won a war against another. What Gaijin rather look for is positive relations as well as approval from players that are actually from these nations.
Now if for example these Finnish players approved though, there is nothing I as a German could say against their Leopards going into such a subtree.
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50/50? I highly doubt that. Thailand is already here and they do have VT-4 which will be added as the current top tier tank in that subtree. It’s more like a last ditch effort from Chinese which frankly makes no sense at all.
In that context, there’s no need for a solution.
Your logic doesn’t make sense. Tech trees are divided based on historical commonality or technological relevance. If everyone were to simply list them under one name, then all of Europe’s tech trees would be placed under Russia and Germany. One must consider the source of technology and whether a country’s overall military industry can support a single system. Therefore, there’s only one plausible reason to place Thailand’s VT-4 on the Japanese line: Thailand’s entry into the Japanese line. However, this doesn’t make sense from a historical or technological perspective.
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Do Chinese (PRC) possess US tanks and F-16s? No. But they have it under ROC banner.
Just like how Japan will have VT-4 under Thai banner.
Before you (or anyone else) say anything about how both (ROC and PRC) are Chinese I’ll point the fact that relations between PRC and ROC are so tense/bad they (PRC) literally do not recognize it as a country and remarking that can land you in jail in PRC so don’t even dare to play that card, it doesn’t work that way.
If Chinese are upset due to some political shenanigans (which btw has nothing to do with this game and I’m saying this for the 3rd time) then they should start acting consistent and demand the removal of those Taiwanese vehicles from their own tech tree first. If it is not happening, they have zero say in VT-4 being added to Thailand which is placed in Jap TT.
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The Germans around me are very confused about this situation. And most of them think that if Germany’s current equipment joins Russia… Well, I can’t say anything about this matter after all, it’s politics.
Thailand is one of the closest allied of Japan in present day just like Finland sub tree for Sweden same reason.
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Personally I’d say it depends where it comes from. If it’s actually Russian or from a subtree it’s fine, if it’s literally German (as in Germany operated) then it isn’t.
Yeah, current politics are an issue, but for that I’d again point to the golden rule subtrees should follow, which is approval of players from that nation. If it isn’t there, it shouldn’t be a subtree, but if it is approved then I won’t complain about my nations exported vehicles going to said subtree.
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However, the technology trees of Finland and Sweden do not involve countries with which they have historical disputes.