Topic about Japan adds T-84 and VT-4

What does that even have to do with thai VT-4 and thailand as a subtree or interpreting subtree as inferior? You might as well put rorschach test and ask me what i see.

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What’s with the cube?

I interpret it as portrayal of Star Trek Borgs to which all humanoid lifeforms are inferior. /s

it’d be hard to mistranslate something as something else if it actually convincingly looks like that something. Right now there’s a main nation and then a couple vehicles from Thailand out n about. If they simply shared Crew and Lineup but had different trees, then it’d be almost impossible to accidentally interpret it as something else. I’m not saying I interpret the current system to be “subtree = inferior”, im saying it’d fix the issue of others misinterpreting. Also it looks cooler.

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tungsten cube

Now don’t crucify me here as this is a bit of the box, but I vote triangle

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but thats not gaijins responsiblity that some people mistranslate and subsequently misunderstand something, even if by accident. Just like it isnt your responsiblity with me interpreting your picture of a square as the borg cube from star trek.

eeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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why triangle when dodecahedron?
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you’re seeing me, Mr.Churger

2 quicker paths to end up at the same point? I dunno everyone was throwing shapes out so I wanted to join in 🤣

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the-square-hole-square-hole

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But everything fits in the square hole 😳

As much as id love to continue the joke, lets get back on track with the thai VT-4.

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LOL, defiantly.
But it still remains that sub- means lesser than, under or subordinate to.
I think I saw you say you where Czech right? would you like being added to the USSR as a “lesser Nation”?

I already said in this thread that if china was being added as subtree to japan, I would oppose it due to historical reasons. I would also oppose addition of chinese VT-4 to japan.

Naturally, I would oppose the addition of czechoslovakia as a subtree to the soviets (and luckily for us, stona denied czechoslovakia being subtree for soviets. at least for now).

However the issue with thai VT-4s is different. It might be china manufactured VT-4, but they sold them to Thailand. They are thai owned.

And thailand was officially added as subtree to japan.

thus thai VT-4 should follow thailand.

To give different example, i strongly oppose the placement of czech ješterka (the 30mil praga) and L-39 to the soviet TT - however if they were added as soviet L-39 (since they bought and operated the plane) and, i dont know, yugo or iraqi praga, I wouldnt see it as an issue.

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That’s very interesting. I completely missed it.

Maybe I should go back and look at the game’s history of subtrees again.

its used regularly, It just never occured to me to keep track of the posts for the purpose of proving that it is official jargon.

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Fair enough. I just couldn’t find it once when looking through subtree announcements (so devblogs for those nations), I didn’t check individual subtree vehicles.

It is interesting though, so I think I’ll look into it sometime. But it’s unrelated to VT-4/T-84, so it’ll probably be under the rework suggestion.

That’s a fair stance on it, and personally I agree, I play Japan as one of my main nations and would welcome any new additions to its tech tree, but we need to understand just how bad things where between Japan and China… I get the impression that they see the VT-4 as a sort of national milestone for their defense and therefore part of their identity, it’s like if you give, or even sell, a flag of your nation to somebody, its not “your” flag any more, they own it… but you will still be upset if they set it on fire, while you no longer own it, it still represents you and you are invested in what happens to it.

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