Okay but doesnt that sound ridiculous? All this drama over what is a clearly translation error?
Again, english is not my first language, but in million years, I wouldnt interpret “subtree” within scope of warthunder as “one nation having power over its subtree”. There are many examples where such interpretation simply does not correspond to reality, unless some people want to say that sweden controls entiriety of nordics.
again, this is probably translation issue. No one denies that Thailand is sovereign country by making it a subtree. No one implies Thailand should be treated any lesser because it is subtree.
However thailand doesnt have enough vehicles to form entiriety of main tech tree on its own, so it was added as subtree. And, Japan was chosen because there simply isnt that much controversy like there would be with south korea for example.
“sub” is a prefix for “lesser then” or “under the control of”. Yes Gaijin just means a smaller tech tree with in a bigger one… but even in English it implies inferiority to some degree.
I’m not a “westerner”. Well, maybe compared to Far Eastern countries perhaps. But you get the point.
English is not my main language either. If something is lost in the translation I would either ask others or use my logic for interpretation of a certain word. That is NOT an excuse. We all know the main reason. Those people just made their mind up already and they just use whatever reason they can get behind to push their agenda. I find it dishonest. This game is not limited to Chinese playerbase.
If Im the single person NOT seeing this being implied at all in this entire thread, maybe the issue was with my english texbook lmao.
I simply cant fathom how one can see “techtree - subtree” as anything other but “folder - subfolder” or “class - subclass” type of thing. Its just how vehicles are organized.
In a way yes. But even in English there is a negative connotation to the term subtree, even if it’s not nearly as strong as in Chinese.
Gaijin have noticed this very soon themselves. Look through official Gaijin statements and you’ll find that it wasn’t used since the introduction of South Africa. It simply caught on with players as a convenient way of describing part of the game, which is why it is still so present.
I know that more than well enough. I fully supported the Thai subtree from the start, even back on the old forum. I also support the addition of the Thai VT-4 here.
I just don’t think the mentality of having to choose either “what the Chinese want” or “what everyone else wants”, when some simple changes can already make sure that the issue these Chinese players have can be solved without hindering Thai additions and without sabotaging the Japanese techtree.
There is a lot of Chinese players that have reasonable concerns and are open to discussing solutions, so it is only fair we give them the opportunity to do that.
I wouldn’t know what a /s is anyway, I’m not the smartest person on the planet, especially on internet jargon, I just try to think about other peoples point of views as best I can.
Anyway my line of thought was that if the prefix sub implies inferiority, then it must mean that submarine is inferior to the sea, which doesnt make sense, which i found funny.
Tho im sure that one sub that took dive to see titanic was inferior to the sea.
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