Please stick to the topic. Insulting a player is against forum rules.
I am more inclined to add the T84 to the Japanese technology tree. This has nothing to do with nationalism. It’s just that the VT4 is already in the game, while the T84 is not yet in WT. Furthermore, due to the poor relations between Ukraine and Russia, the T84 is only playable in the Japanese tech tree.
If both VT4 and T84 are added to the Japanese technology tree, then Japan’s top ground BR will be too OP.
T-84 would be really fun. I also hope to see more Ukrainian vehicles in the future like the BTR-3E1 and BTR-3RK also operated by Thailand or the BTR-4M operated by Indonesia.
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I am not sure if they would be top BR.
The Oplot could be top BR depending on ammunition, but if it is only 3BM42 it might only be worthy of 11.3
The Thai VT-4 variant is also worse than the Chinese VT-4A1 at 12.0, since it gets worse ammunition, only FY-2 ERA on the hull, no APS and 100hp less for the engine. I would also guess a BR of 11.3
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That’s fair, the M1A2T should be kept from the Chinese tree if we’re gonna complain about the VT-4 with Japan. (My opinion is that politics should be barred from gaming no matter the geopolitical situation, there’s absolutely no reason for it, it’s childish and lame)
And it would help if Gaijin didn’t cave on stuff like this, they will get over it (you’re supposed to let the baby cry and it’ll eventually tire itself out)
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Wut. Top tier Japan is essentially two MBTs and one SPAA, adding two more MBTs ain’t gonna change much because people very rarely spawn 4 MBTs in a single game.
Japan’s lack of high tier support vehicles is crippling enough to ensure that high tier Japan won’t be OP. Maybe some of the Thai light tanks like the Stingray and BTR-3 will change that, but if it does (which I kind of doubt) it won’t be due to both the T-84 and VT-4.
The only thing that adding both the Oplot and the VT4 would do is give people options in flavors, that’s all.
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I agree
How come stating the fact becoming insulting?
so like would the vt4 and t84 get the top chinese round or some rubbish export round
Honestly, maybe the better play is to add the entirety of ASEAN as a Japanese Sub TT at this point. Chinese can keep their VT4, and Japan gets a crap ton of new flavors. Seems like a win-win to me, and it eliminates the controversy on both sides of the aisle.
(Fully independent ASEAN would still be preferred, granted)
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Not all “facts” needs to be stated here. This not twitter or reddit, this is a game’s forum.
Knowing gaijin T84 might get 3BM42 as its best round
Please use english here, Or feel free to post in the community area.
“We have no plans or ideas” is not a promise, it’s just a statement of what their position was at that point in time. A promise would be more akin to “we will never add them”.
Would the US have sold F-16s to the PRC? Would France have sold Mirage 2000-5s to the PRC? Would Taiwan have sold Antelope SAMs to the PRC?
Answer to these are “nope”, yet they’re still available in the Chinese tree.
Wow, that’s news to me that China has captured Taiwanese F-16s and Mirage 2000-5!
“Japanese protectorate”… Wow, could you be any more disdainful?
Subtrees aren’t “protectorate”. Finland and Norway aren’t protectorate of Sweden, Netherlands and Belgium aren’t protectorate of France, Switzerland isn’t a protectorate of Germany and so on.
You may not like the way subtrees are implemented, which is fine and there are valid arguments that can be raised against their current implementation, but you’re the one trying to apply a double standard here.
The research tree receiving vehicle operated by the subtree is how it works for every subtree. There are no F-18s in Germany’s air force and no Leopard 2 of any kind in France’s army, yet they are in game.
Again it’s fine if you don’t like it, but stop trying to pretend that the VT4 being added to the Thai subtree would be somehow any different than what we already have in game and have had for years now.
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The situations aren’t perfectly comparable lmao, Taiwan is internationally recognised as a province/prefecture of China and is therefor mostly treated as apart of China. Thailand and Japan however are separate nations also internationally recognised as separate entities.
Tech trees in-game are based on nations and their sovereignty, a Scottish tank brigade in Glasgow will be represented in the British TT as a British vehicle and won’t be treated as a separate entity - the same is also applied for Taiwan (ROC) in-game.
This makes is so the M1A2T going to China being a no brainer whilst the introduction of the VT-4 to Japan through Thailand is more of a heated and debated topic (which I couldn’t care less for).
I’m not trying to be political and won’t respond/engage with any political responses, it’s just a game
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What does stating the policies enacted by Gaijin have to do with thinking? Gaijin has said no politics. I merely reiterated that point.
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You do realize or remember they said they won’t add it this patch… Why does this need reiterating?
VT4 to Thailand. Get that right.
So the right decision is to never give Thailand, the vehicle they mainly operate out of the entire globe?
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VT-4 ain’t coming this next update…problem solved.
At this point close the thread, yall keep bringing personal feelings into this topic and ignoring the rules 💀
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Well, this thing happens because the personal feelings of our chinese.💀
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Here’s what you’re missing. Thai vehicles, will go to where Thai vehicles are put according to Gaijin.
I never said a Thai techtree existed. Did I say that? No.
Shouldn’t matter. But if it did matter… Why should this matter when the vehicle is Thai? Why should Thai players, or Thai fans never get to play their own operated vehicle because of a group in the chinese playerbase opinions?
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