Topic about Japan adds T-84 and VT-4

[LIEBHERRhires]

I’ve made myself perfectly clear—this is the fundamental disagreement. Why are you still being so obstinate? There’s no such thing as “delaying its release.” The only options are either not adding it at all or giving it to China, not Japan. Can’t you understand what I’m saying?

[哈气是生命的本能勇气是基米的赞歌]

Gaijin, I’ve recently seen a lot of ads for War Thunder on the Chinese video site Bilibili. We can see you’re paying attention to the Chinese market. But did you ever consider the reaction on Chinese forums, Tieba, and video sites if you gave the Thai VT-4 tank to Japan? Is this how you plan to destroy your investment? Honestly, if you do this, I even doubt whether streaming this game will be allowed in China anymore, or if content creators will be able to make videos about War Thunder. There are plenty of games out there; not having this one really wouldn’t make much difference. If you think it’s no big deal, then I guess that’s okay.

[UnknownVariable]

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[LIEBHERRhires]

Dear Administrator,

In that case, we’ll proceed with the first option: not introducing this vehicle for the Thai Army—neither now nor in the future.

[UnknownVariable]

How do you feel about ROC Abrams?

[Xeno_quaza]

I’m not an administrator. Moderation doesn’t actually work for gaijin.

Me saying it has a 0% chance isn’t from any internal plans, it’s simply how it is, gaijin wouldn’t add a vehicle from one STT into another nation, especially when said other nation already has versions of the same vehicle.

[UnknownVariable]

Must be nice to just pick and choose huh

[scorpiodude64]

I could see them adding an otherwise identical but non Thai VT-4 to China

[LIEBHERRhires]

I understand your point, which is why I also suggested it’s best to halt development on this—to avoid unnecessary disputes.

[Xeno_quaza]

Given gaijin’s development cycle of over a year, the VT-4 for thailand is more then likely already done, or if not nearly done. And it’s unlikely they’ll scrap something they already paid to develop.

[TorpidoRaptor]

But it is a Sovereign state wdym? The civil war started between both ROC and PROC.
Both are sovereign states.

[LIEBHERRhires]

What? You mean the ROC is a sovereign state? Go check how many sovereign nations currently maintain diplomatic relations with this so-called ‘country’? Do major powers like the U.S., Russia, or the EU recognize it now?

[LIEBHERRhires]

Please also refrain from discussing political content on this forum, as it has already crossed the line.

[TorpidoRaptor]

It’s just as sovereign as PROC, you won’t say USA and PROC doesn’t exists just because Bhutan doesn’t see it as an actual nation.

[TorpidoRaptor]

Alright

[SoyBeanInhaler]

I know what you mean, I still think its just not the best thing to fight over. Much better things to fight over regarding this.

Also I really dont think Russian players would care about that.

Better example would include ukraine or poland

[Xeno_quaza]

Alright enough politics, the other mods will be very displeased if they have to pay any more attention to this.

[Stockholm_Blend]

@LIEBHERRhires

No Thai VT-4 will be released.

Even if a Thai VT-4 were to be added, it should belong to China, not Japan—just like how the Leopard 2PL and Leopard 2A4M are assigned to Germany as their country of origin.

I think maybe this is why I compared the Thai VT-4 problem with the Indian Rafale problem earlier in this topic.
which could be seen as similar if we exclude every other damn political thing.

Or some Dutch/Hungarian Leopards.

For Leopard 2A4M or Leo2PL case,

1. Germany exported some leopards to a nation which aren’t belong to others as a sub-tree.
2. As long as Canada or Poland isn’t any nation’s sub-tree. Germany got their exported variant of Leopard.

But, in the Leopard 2A7HU case.

1. Germany exported Leo2A7HU to Hungary, which is belongs to Italy as a sub tree.
2. Since Hungary is being sub-tree of Italy, Italy got Leopard 2A7HU. not Germany.

So, in the Thai VT-4 case, things will be similar to the Leopard 2A7HU case.

1. China exported VT-4 to Thailand, which belongs to Japan as a sub-tree.
2. So Japan will get Thailand VT4 later.
3. But not in this September.

What you can expect will be nothing but ‘delayed as much as you want’ as Indian Rafales are.

I understand why you dislike the addition itself. But I think you can’t change the tide.

Think about the exmaples like the large gap between releasing the French version of Mirage 2000-5F and the ROC version of 2000-5Ei.

[Lovecraft2]

Did you really just start an argument about Taiwan not being a nation and then telling others to refrain from political discussion

[J-16D_PLA]

Please no VT4 to Japan