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you know what? if Japan can’t have VT-4 via Thai Subtree
then Chinese tech-tree can’t have M1A2T via Republic of China Subtree
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I left an apropos comment regarding the VT-4s future in the new RR thread, lmk what u guys think
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Nothing, just a notice talking about Gaijin gonna answer China players about Thai VT-4 to Japan issue. They said they will answer it at late September. (Until 24 September 2025, 1735 GMT+8 haven’t answered)
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It’s not just about this issue. There are also long-standing problems and bugs that have been plaguing Chinese tech tree players—and the latter is actually more important.
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It got flagged as offensive LOL. Not surprised there. Here is what I wrote:
I know everyone’s excited to try out the new update, and as a Japan-main, I’m definitely feeling some of that. The Super Tigris, Stingray, Oplot, and two ships are a rather nice gift to Japan, which is usually the lowest of Gaijin’s priorities. The addition of the Indonesian Mi-35 is tantalizing too, as it promises the addition of the very unique (if Gaijin desires to) vehicles of Indonesia, such as the Su-30, Rafale, Harimau, the Pindad 8x8, and so forth. That being said, I can’t help but have a pit in my stomach regarding the future of the broader Japanese TT despite the addition of Thai ground and the promise of Indonesia. I’m dreading the official response that is supposed to arrive any day now:
I simply find it absurd and alarming that a loud part of a singular playerbase can decide the development of the Japanese TT and War Thunder at large. I find it ridiculous that Gaijin can be so moved as to actually postpone (or, as I fear, cancel) the implementation of a vehicle in War Thunder. The problem with the rest of War Thunder’s playerbases is that they lack the unity and initiative that Chinese players have in confronting a perceived issue. Also, recall that the Japanese War Diaries event 8 years ago was removed following backlash, and this was when there was a server dedicated to Chinese players.
However, in my understanding of past developments, when these other playerbases have actually agreed on an issue concerning the implementation of vehicles in the game, it’s usually to motivate Gaijin to share the vehicles across nations. Such instances are with the JaPz.K A2 and SK105, the Skink, and with the KF41 Lynx. On that latter point, Germany mains aren’t asking for something as ridiculous as to remove the Lynx entirely from the broader Italian TT; they would much prefer to have it shared with their own TT.
Now, I should clarify that I do not seek to generalize the Chinese player base. In my reading of their comments on this forum, as well as seeing the results of a vote administered by @MAUSWAFFE (see below) the majority of Chinese players don’t seem to particularly mind the addition of the VT-4 to the broader Japanese TT, which, of course, is under the Thai flag. There seems to be an issue of timing regarding the victory parade, but that’s obviously another issue for another time. Of course, this vote is far from conclusive, and we have no way of ascertaining the actual origin of the people who voted in the poll. But the pie chart percentages do parallel the rather large amounts of comments I’ve seen calling on Gaijin to block the addition of the VT-4.
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A - Don’t want Thai VT-4 added
B - Can be added but timing is bad
C - Can be added at any time
D - Other[/details]
I entreat Gaijin to please, PLEASE take notice of the many Chinese players who actually don’t mind the addition of an export vehicle to its actual user’s sub-TT. And, not only that, but to not focus on an especially loud group within the War Thunder community. The fact that this group can actually elicit an official response boggles my mind. I HOPE that this response had more to do with the treatment and implementation of Chinese vehicles (which is subpar, quite frankly; WT’s bug-reporting leaves much to be desired), but Gaijin’s record leaves me with only a small measure of hope. WT has a much broader community than just a particularly cantankerous, vocal subsection of a playerbase, however lucrative that subsection may seem to be.
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LOL, My reply to you has been deleted as well.
- The core issue isn’t about “blocking content,” but the symbolic implication of placing a modern Chinese tank under the Japanese TT , even indirectly. This is a matter of historical context, not resistance to diversity.(To be honest, I don’t understand the logic. If there is genuine animosity toward China among some Japanese players, why would they actively seek to include Chinese military assets in their tech tree? Is the intent to provoke Chinese players? Moreover, the VT-4 is widely considered an underperforming vehicle in the game—even Chinese players rarely use it when superior alternatives like the ZTZ-99A are available.)
- The poll you cited is neither large-scale nor conducted within major Chinese communities (e.g., Tieba or bilibili). It cannot represent the broader player base. Official surveys would be more reliable.
3.Gaijin’s response reflects routine developer-community interaction—similar to past adjustments made for other regions. Feedback is vital, but final decisions always rest with the developers.(Honestly, if you believe these Chinese players are in the wrong, why not engage with them directly in their own communities? Attempting to fundamentally challenge their viewpoints through discussion might prove your point more effectively than trying to persuade the gaijin officials.)
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The main issue Gaijin should reply to here is concerns about the Chinese tree, which seem to be the main issue of the Chinese community at large. This means historical fixes, and probably that push needed to jump from the minor nation status they’re stuck with from the cold war era to the major superpower that modern day China is.
I’m still somewhat afraid Gaijin will prefer to focus on the VT-4 specifically, because for Gaijin it just takes less work than actually fixing anything. So what I’m afraid of is a “No VT-4 for Thailand - No fixes for China” situation where everyone loses while Gaijin pushes the blame onto the Chinese they will pretend to have listened to.
That’s not a vote I administered, it’s a Tieba someone else posted on the forum.
But I did make a different vote alongside SpitW. Here’s the results:
All results dated 11.09.2025, after that point some accounts attempted to switch answers to the nationality poll retroactively to skew results. The ones I could prove changed to ASEAN or Chinese to try and misrepresent either side, but checking these accounts took too much time to keep taking results.
Another important note is the sample size, which at this point was 160
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This isn’t about Japan.
I simply want to see Thailand get one of their main MBTs added to the subtree - they bought and operate 60 VT-4 tanks, even more than their 49 Oplot-Ts, which China willingly sold and exported to Thailand. There is no reason to deny this, all the Thai tanks have Thai flags and roundels.
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I think this shouldn’t be seen as the bar for judgement. General hate for anything Chinese exists, but just like general hate against Japanese in the Chinese community, most do have more nuanced views. The main points I see here are that players simply want a historic Thai tank to play with other Thai vehicles, or are simply interested in the vehicle itself.
There is some that just want it to spite the Chinese, but it’s not the common opinion and often just comes from players that misunderstand the Chinese side. Internationally it’s much more difficult to come across the issues Chinese players bring up in their national forum section and on other websites, so some only see the VT-4 issue and assume it’s a large scale outcry purely out of spite. It’s an issue of miscommunication.
That poll was a Tieba poll, not the one I made here with SpitW, though the sample size was fairly low still at 143, at least for such a large community.
I hope Gaijin sees it this way and actually looks at the Chinese language side. Like i said it’s difficult for players internationally to see the main issues of the Chinese playerbase, and Gaijin doesn’t exactly have the best record for community interaction.
Personally I hope the response is a wave of historical fixes and pushes China to being treated more closely to USA/USSR for additions since it is a major superpower in the modern day with a lot to add.
But I also fear that this isn’t the case, and Gaijin decides to harm the game as a whole if they don’t understand what is even the issue in the first place.
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haha, In fact, it is related. Ever since Thailand TT was linked to Japan TT in the game, all of this has become relevant. Yes, if Thailand TT were separate, no one would object. But to Japan, everything becomes complicated.