I’m sure this topic is a dead horse, but I just want to say as someone who just got to top tier for the first time. I absolutely love the performance of the jets and hate Fox 3 missiles. BVR combat has got to be some of the dumbest most boring game design I have ever seen. Do people actually enjoy it? Like outside of the “this is an easy way to get 1-2 kills to grind” sense, do people actually think its fun to just stare at their radar and launch missiles at little boxes outside their field of view?
I have only played about 100 or so games in my Gripen A so far, and some of the best moments I have had have been darting in and out of mountain ranges tossing missiles at people or turnfighting people trying to get a solution. I haven’t had this experience up until this point in the game, I don’t like slow prop gameplay, early jets with low missile count that get lost at the slightest hint of a flare 10km away from the target, fat slow jets…
Why is it that the most iconic, fastest, most agile jets in the game are being turned into a boring game mode where you don’t even get to use half the shit at your disposal because you’re either climbing to the stars and raining down 8 fox 3s or you’re dragging your balls on the ground in because your jet doesn’t have them?
I wonder what would happen if they added a game mode, even temporarily where only IR or radar slaving was available. As far as I know, that wouldn’t gimp any of the top tier jets, and it would lead to so extremely fun dogfighting.
I’ve been wanting to suggest a guns only mode for jets where the only way to get kills is to engage in a dog fight but I’m not exactly sure on how to suggest a game mode on here.
Could be fun, its not really for me though. I want missiles, just not the BVR kind. I know its Hollywood, but I envision the dogfighting of Top Gun, and wish it were more like that.
Yes ppl love it
If u manage to get in a 1v1 its even more exiting
U need to fire notch and recommit fast to get a lunch before him
It takes skill so its very fun to win thos engagment and if both players are good they can end in a df
I can undsrstand some ppl doesnt like it but say its boring?
If smt its overhelming
Buddy, I can tell by the way that you type that reading comprehension is not your strong suit. So let me help you out here. What you’re saying is exactly what I am saying IS fun. What I am saying sucks and is boring is the fact that people can launch missiles from 50km away.
Air RB BVR is, but BVR overall isn’t. I’ve had very fun experiences doing BVR against non multipathing abusers, especially with SARH missiles.
We desperately need a new gamemode at high tier, or atleast reduced player counts. Removing arh/sarh is a bad solution and it would probably make the game worse.
I definetively find it more enjoyable than the Gripen A multipathINg meta we had between air superiority and seek and destroy.
That nearly made me quit the ARB with how unfun it was, Gripen A just turning on periodic release while staying below 100m and turning, making any other jet unable to intercept him.
Thats grossly oversimplified description of BVR.
You still have to actively defend, pick your targets, position yourself properly. Do that and game will eventually naturally transition to WVR.
Sure as long as it is addition, not replacement for current ARB, and its wholly optional.
Im not against it but if top tier gets a gun only mode it will shift a lots of planes BR’s around like GRB did.
Example:trying to dog fight f16 or mig29 while in a f4kws and some planes have funny engine that makes uncatchable at 10km altitude ahem f15e(usa,isreal)
Yes. BVR combat is fun. If you want to dogfight in gunfighters, play WW2 to Korean era jets.
Modern jets are not meant to be gunfighting. They are design for this type of combat
Also BVR is the great equalizer. You are playing the Gripen A. The best non-BVR jet in the game at the moment, at the same BR is aircraft like the Sea Harrier FA2 and Tornado F3 Late. Aircraft which are only at the same BR because of their BVR performance. Tornado F3 with just SARH for example would only see Gripen A in a full uptier and its only really even at 12.0 because of its SARH BVR performance.
The moment BVR is removed. Aircraft would need radical and extreme differences in BR with some dropping down as low as 11.7/12.0 and others moving up. It would be a total mess.
The beauty of Fox-3s is that raw FM performance doesnt necessarily always matter and you can have 2 extremely different performing aircraft at the same BR and yet have some semblence of balance