the title says it all. when is merica ganna get weapons made past 1995?
wasn’t the SEPv2 introduced in the early 2000s?
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The US is one of the strongest nations in the game. Plus many US vehicles in WT are made past 1995.
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Being made past 1995 is not true. Where they upgraded after 200? Yes. But the models in the game are Pre-2000’s airframes and missiles the only thing that stands for making a past 2000’s argument is HMD’s Radar and very minimal difference ordinance.
At least for jets.
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if we don’t count upgrades as new then there’s like 2 things that were built brand new since 1995 in game, so silly point and also this is about ground
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It was, but does it have the armor it should get? Nope, so it’s literally a useless M1A1 Abrams addition to the US in general.
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? okay, literally all the arietes are as useless as each other, does it hurt to have another tank in your lineup?, no. so kind of a silly point, and it was still introduced after 1995, which was the original point of the discussion
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That’s literally a braindead argument by comparing every tank to the Arietes like if they suffer everyone should suffer too. Also it does hurt if another Abrams gets added to the pile by being worse than the previous one, the SEPV2 is literally worse than the M1A1.
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I literally never said that, I could’ve used the leclercs just as much, my point was theyre all the same (in the arietes case that also includes them being… not great)
the SEPV2 is literally worse than the M1A1.
think about how the british mains feel when you say this, the challenger 3 TD was bad enough to be put down in BR
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Ik it is about ground, but he was talking about all american vehicles I believe.
Additionally counting upgrades is the only thing that makes US vehicles the same year as some others.
For this we will use years introduced into service no upgrades unless it is a separate vehicle.
T-90M — 2020
R-77-1 — 2015
R-73 — 1984
Su-30sm — 2012
Su-34 - first flight in 1990 and production was delayed put into service in 2014
2S38 — 2010’s
Su-33 — officially entered service in 1997
T-80BVM — 2018
Pantsir — 2012 (hard to find extract date but its production was delayed)
AV8B+ — the plus was introduced in 2003 (such a large upgrade i’m counting it as its own thing)
F-16C — 1984
F-15E — 1988
F/A-18C — 1987
HMD — 2006 (I’m not sure about radars but this is one of the most modern mods other than ground ordinance)
Aim-120A — 1991
Aim-120B — 1994
Aim-9M — 1983
M1A2 SepV2 — 2008 and upgraded in 2009 (But no DU anywhere so pretty much from 1990’s)
HSTV-L — 1982
ADATS — entered service around 1990
Yes the game needs to be balanced but the time of the main things being introduced are very separated.
Doesn’t affect me though just some nation is going to run out of upgrades and jets before another, but it’ll all be balanced in the end.
Also these were googled so there might be some imperfections.
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Shows how good those “old” designs are, doesn’t it :)
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Atleast they don’t suffer from an exposed turret ring.
Leclercs are pretty much more reliable from the front than any Top Tier Abrams.
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So you want USA to be totally OP by having flash new equipment that no-one can match - got it.
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Please read the thing below it 🙏
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I remember when they said the same thing when people wanted a 200mm of protection to be added to the turret ring, NOOOOO you want the Abrams to be invincible!!!
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I didn’t even say what he is implying. There is something below contradicting what he said lol
For this we will use years introduced into service no upgrades unless it is a separate vehicle.
half those russian things are upgrades of previous things, T90M is an upgraded T90
also I thought the ADATS never actually entered service in US
Yes the game needs to be balanced but the time of the main things being introduced are very separated.
Doesn’t affect me though just some nation is going to run out of upgrades and jets before another, but it’ll all be balanced in the end.
fr though I don’t understand why people think just because russia has thing from 2020, everyone else needs stuff from 2020, most of russia’s stuff is like 30 years out of date
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Different things in game, like the F-15A and F-15E. Very different.
I’m using the canada one
Agreed I was just trying to provide some additional context.
I’m an upgrade purist, in my mind SU30SM is upgrade of SU27, be happy I’m not calling the T90M an upgrade of the T72