No thanks, i can read.
But why were you so persistent that the weakspots make them insanely good then?
we can tell you dont play russia, we’ve figured it out long ago.
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Citation needed.
Where exactly do i say that they are “insanely good” because of the weakspots?
Well its not like i make it much of a secret
The smaller weakspots are in fact an advantage? The current toptier engagements are decided by who shoots first, so having small weakspots while the entire enemy tank is a weakspot is a big advantage, nobody ever claimed russian MBTs are the best, but they certainly aren’t as bad as Russian players want you to believe, they do just fine they have advantages and disadvantages just like every other MBT family in the game
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You’ve been preaching constantly about how if instead you shot a T series instead of a LEO in the UFP it wouldnt have done anything and acted like this makes the game unplayable against russia.
Its like that since 9.3~10.3, but ever since that you can shoot a Leo/abrams, ANYTHING, in the breech to disable it, but they will be able to go behind cover before you reload, whereas you shoot a T72, theyre dead. simply dead.
You can always resort to sniping the mantlet/barrel on soviet vehicles because they literally wont be able to run away in time before you reload, whereas every other tank can run.
China will be a better russia if they get the KH38’s they were supposed to get.
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Because it wouldnt have?
Youve got quite the vivid imagination
AS someone who plays pretty much every tree bar sweden and italy past 11.0 the russian MBTs are some of the most boring, and tedious to use purely due to how crap they are.
their one trick, literally is armour past that they either get out gunned, out manuevered, or survive less due to the 3 crew.
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By whos decree ¿ statshark which better than thunderskill has still had many, many issues
Also if we use the all stats we see that generally france and britain overall per month beat out russia overall at top tier win rates.
the thing is, the Russian winrates, much like every trees winrates fluctuate depending on what’s been added or nerfed.
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being intentionally dishonest are we? before u can kill a t72 in a shot, you’d have to pen it which is just and itsy bitsy tiny bit harder than penning said leo or abrams (cause yk… dm23 kinda does nothing as soon as it so much looks at ERA) also if you pen a leo or abrams its also dead 100% since you always kill either the amazing turret basket which totally needed to be added to only 2 MBT family cause selective realism totally makes sense, the enigne or the breech or in most cases the engine and the basket, sure you “survive” but you can J out since you wont finish the 40s repair before the enemy finishes the 6-7 second reload.
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well they have the lowest Skill floor and ceiling at the same time, they are extremely beginner friendly and get borig quite quick depending on what you’re looking for with your playstyle (we can argue whether or not that’s by design). But once again they are by no means bad or the worst (the ariete exists)
Youre more than welcome to provide better sources.
Obviously. But the thread is titled Top tier ground USSR and America suck too hard (11.7-12.7) which is evidently wrong for USSR 12.7 as per the latest statistics.
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YOu say he’s being dishonest then literally claim DM23 does nothing against ERA?
The abrams and leopards may not have as much direct frontal arc armour but both their turrets are extremely well protected.
I’m also going to assume you mean at 10.7 where the leopard 2 is literally, the best MBT?
I keep seeing people say this yet my KD in both leopard and abrams has only went up since the extra modules were added, If you are positioning yourslef to get shot clean through the entire tank like that you’d be dead irregardless of the basket or not
No one is saying they’re the worst, not anyone with a brain. However they certainly are nowhere near as good as you’re making out above lol.
The russian MBTs have one thing, that is armour.
Read what I said properly.
Statshark while more accurate than anything we’ve had before is still plagued with issues over all and can easily be manipulated to show what a person wants.
It’s got the best statistics not due to their ground vehicles but, as you so eloquently put last time we discussed this the fact the MI28 got access to LMUR without having to grind out an entire new heli made it so that people spammed it.
What I tend to find on these threads, or by the creators is they generally have a piss match or two, tehn come on here to say X nation sucks or X nation is OP.
even done it myself before moaning about 2S38s AA capabilites + Ground capabilites.
Sure you can interpret things differently depending on the numbers but id say for a statement as simple as “USSR 12.7 sucks too hard” a number as simple as 54.3% should be enough.
Yeah like i said above the winrate is despite of the tanks not because of them and thats why i think OPs cry for better USSR tanks is not great. The USSR is already performing well in 12.7, they dont need their weakness buffed.
Again pretty dishonest, russia has no clear equivalent at 10.7 only the 10.3 T80UD which is marginally worse if not equal and the t72AV which is worse in most scenarios better in some, while having stuff at 11.0 that outclasses it straight up. The turret armor falls apart instantly once you so much as meet 11.0 which is.3 apart, since well 3bm60 goes through it like butter, Meanwhile you’d have to wait till 12.3 until you find a dart is equal to the russian dart they get as early as 11.0 (im also conveniently leaving out the 12.7 chassis with spall liner at 11.3 that you go against while only having access to dm23, since that thing isn’t considered an MBT).
In a direct 1v1 with a T series, the abrams/leo is better because of the turret protection if the cover is little hills or just a sniping battle.
If its a urban scenario, its better because of the reverse speed and mobility.
In a not 1v1 scenario, (which is 90% of warthunder) where you catch someone offguard, the abrams/leo is better because of the mobility and survivability.
Like An Pigeon said before, RU tanks objectively only have armor going for them, which doesnt even do anything 80% of the time because you can just yolo a shot into the mantlet killing either ALL the crew necessary, breech, or breech&autoloader and you got the kill because he cant reverse away, whereas if you did this to a Leo, Abrams, anything of that sort, they can reverse away.
So realistically, russian tanks only have going for them in war thunder.
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Folks say france sucks yet sits cosnistently one of the highest.
or god forbid italy before they got the 2a7
They could do with a change being made to them, or nato tanks across the board getting their respective protections etc.
These are the things we should chase up.
What ? the T80B is literally a 10.7 MBT for russia which sits tied for the 3rd place in the 10.7 bracket?
@_Renzo Russia doesn’t have a comparable 10.7 MBT?
Am I being dishonest or is this dude.
- 1 the 3BM60 can be found as low as 10.0 for USSR, whcih while I don’t agree with it’s about all teh sprut has going for it
- 2 USA has access to M829A1 at 10.3 which is substantially better than the 3BM60, russias only top performing round as 3BM46 falls off a cliff quickly.
- 3 USA has access to the M900 at 10.3, as well as has access to some fantastic platforms being the abrams which hold up extremely well in uptiers due to mobility.
- 4 russian comparable tanks E.G the T80b or T80UD armour does not hold up, at all in uptiers, tanks at 11.0 can cut clean through their UFP, hell the L26 on the CR1 MK3 can UFP the T80B.
T72AV has 9.3 hull composites with terrible ERA on it the kinetic protection is a whopping 5mm.
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The guy stated that Russia doesn’t have a comparable 10.7 to germany or USA which it does with the damn T80B
Its either equal depending on BR on in favor of the T series, and the only disadvantage being your reverse speed again? At 12.7 both can pen eachother pretty easily given you the NATO tank doesnt hit a ERA pack on the side ig? and below that a 125 HE behind cover works wonders, 2A4s and early Abrams are so easy to overpreassure it’s laughable.
Once again you can lol pen them but they would actually have to aim to kill you, your main disadvantage being your reverse speed but i don’t really see that as a point of contention since the whole shtick of the RU TT is big gun, good armor, horrible gun depression and reverse
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It’s not in favour of the T series at all.
You aslo say this but are negative in your Russian tansk and not NATO tanks?
What would you lolpen in any of these scenarios?
And how would a 1v1 where both know of eachothers position be favoured in the T-series way?
Urban = ran laps around you/fuel exploded from a tiny bit of LFP showing/enemy reversed further from the corner and shot your barrel or LFP and you couldnt do much about it.
Hilly terrain = lmao gg ur getting ur roof shot and then ur breach/sometimes crew is going atomic
Only times where RU tanks can be favoured is sniping, but then again you do not have nearly as many advantages being hulldown that leo’s/abrams’ get.
Well, people do be lying quite often which is why some form of objective metrics is important for any discussion.
I agree that with the current powercreep in the CAS and SPAA departments top tier tanks in general do need some kind of love i just disagree with OP that USSR 12.7 needs one in the current situation