And how would a 1v1 where both know of eachothers position be favoured in the T-series way?
Urban = ran laps around you/fuel exploded from a tiny bit of LFP showing/enemy reversed further from the corner and shot your barrel or LFP and you couldnt do much about it.
Hilly terrain = lmao gg ur getting ur roof shot and then ur breach/sometimes crew is going atomic
Only times where RU tanks can be favoured is sniping, but then again you do not have nearly as many advantages being hulldown that leo’s/abrams’ get.
Well, people do be lying quite often which is why some form of objective metrics is important for any discussion.
I agree that with the current powercreep in the CAS and SPAA departments top tier tanks in general do need some kind of love i just disagree with OP that USSR 12.7 needs one in the current situation
are we switching up A1 with A2 or the BM60 and BM42? since the A1 by no means ever beats the BM60
once again, not being on an MBT? and to put it in your words “thats all the wolfpacks got going for it”
oh yeah totally forgot the T80B esists, anyways neither does a Leo hold up in uptiers at all being outclassed in all metrics by a large margin, but that’s how uptiers go in most vehicles.
well i wasnt born a master, i learned the mysterious working of GRB in my trusty T72AV and the Russian TT in general, hence my stats in the russian TT might not be as great (same for my F4S compared to my M23 for example)
in urban environment? any NATO tank that isnt a Leo or Abrams, with those 2 just dont shoot the Turret and ur fine and myb the 2A7s UFP, as for the fuel explosion, might just be an BMPT thing but ever since that was added I haven’t klled anything via fuel explosion, it just explodes and deals no dmg, but once again didnt play enough ground to verify. Hilly Terrain? can go both ways, but the main issue will always be gun depression for a T series and the reverse if you miss your shot. There’s a lot of scenarios that can go both ways tank choice and performance is entirely playstyle dependent (most ppl will say sweden has the best MBTs while i personally could never due to their shitty optics)
i forgot the T80B existed, pre buff with the 7.1s it was kinda not that relevant, why put yourself in the spot to get uptiered to 11.7 and lose the 9.3 matchmaker while gaining almost no advantages
If you want to be taken seriously when talking about overall top tier ground balance, you should A) actually master the top tier tanks you have and B) grind some of the other top tier MBTs you love to talk about so much.
So you are saying that every single tank not currently the 2A7 and 122 should be a lower BR? Then why shouldn’t the M1A2s be 12.3 and nearly everyone else 12.0?
Though even comparing M1A2 to 2A7 and 122, it’s far far closer than most as the Abrams have superior firepower and mobility to the Leopards
I would prefer to move the 2A7s and Strv 122s to 13.0 alone, pending counterparts like the CR3 prototype and SEPv3 etc to join them at 13.0.
The mobility of these tanks is not significantly different. The Abrams has considerably better firepower while the 2A7s/122s have considerably better armor and survivability.
And added bonus is that the 2A7/122 have HE, which incredibly strong against the Abrams.
The current M1A1 HC and M1A2 already should be 12.3, I don’t think that is the gotcha you think it is when I have been saying the same thing for ever since 12.7 got introduced.
Objective facts. They have better time to target within average ranges for GRB. What evidence is really needed beyond opening your eyes. Even in most common ARB ranges, R-77-1 holds that advantage
As for multipathing, I thought they were identical but xeno actually corrected me before that R-77-1 does have an advantage
They also have a larger warhead which can be useful for killing things flying too low, much like Aim-54
If you actually read his comment, he even said, if anything it’s a minor benefit if anything at all.
So who needs to open their eyes?
R-77-1 imho is good in short 6km or less.
Aim-120Bs will out pace them in longer ranges with ease, and honestly I do believe they track far better, no I don’t have evidence to prove it, but my KDr of R-77-1s vs AIM-120Bs is heavily tilted towards the Aim-120s
A minor advantage is a still a minor advtange. Especially if we compare Su-30SM2 with ESA Vs F15E with M-Scan as half decent multiroles within the context of GRB, The ESA DL advantage is quite notable too.
It is an objective and quantifiable fact that R-77-1 fired from Su-30Sm2 would perform better in GRB than F15E or F16C firing Aim-120
Like I get it. Soviet suffer. But maybe it’s just a skill issue on your part
For GRB the vastly superior armor and survivability of the 2A7/122 outweigh the firepower advantage of the Abrams.
There are no tanks that even come close to the combination of armor+survivability+mobility+firepower that these tanks have, while there are quite a few tanks that at least come close to the combination of mobility+firepower that the Abrams has.
I know it’s shocking what you can learn about MBTs when you actually play them.
