BMPTs are fine right now. Just learn where to shoot them lmao.
Leclercs don’t have cardboard armor. Merkavas DEFINITELY don’t have cardboard armor.
Naaah this guy’s trolling us. Well done, almost got me
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I’ll start by saying that the Abrams tanks are not trash or awfully bad or anything. They’ve good firepower and decent mobility and that’s really all that you need in top tier. They get the job done.
But why is the Abrams worse than other tanks like the Leopards/Strvs and the Type 90s/TKXs?
The Abrams is very tall and can get both seen & roofpenned very easily. Its hull is literal paper. It’ll get slammed by nearly everything from the front and you can be unlucky enough to get your entire turret disabled from a stray 30mm APDS or 2 going into your driver hatch. It’s pretty decent at being hull-down but not good enough like a T-90M, Merkava, or Strv 122 since as I said, you can roofpen it very easily and the gun is easy to shoot through.
And because of all this ineffective hull armor, it’s slightly more sluggish than said Type 90s, TKXs, Leopards etc. Its reload is also slower than the Type 90s and TKXs when you essentially take the same metrics and considerations you do with them as you do with Abrams tanks cause of its garbage armor. It’s bigger, slower, and has less total firepower, all whilst playing virtually the same in MBT on MBT battles.
Only thing really going for it is how quiet it is. But it’s so massive that it’s awfully hard to miss if you’re looking in its general direction.
The M1A2 SEPv3 should be added with tanks like the Challenger 3 and T-90M Arena-M. This is because as previously mentioned the M1A2 SEPv3 still uses the same 40 year old hull without any significant changes to (particularly internal) armor, especially on the front. It is incomparable to how a tank like the T-14 Armata is written to be.
I don’t see a T-14 Armata below 13.3, but I see a SEPv3 at 13.0.
You’re still replying bro if anybody’s been got it’s you. Just get good.
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This sounds like most western MBTs to me. if anything, I find the Abrams are a little better than some as they dont have giant antenna or roof objects that reveal your presence super easily.
Again, this doesnt sound like only the Abrams and most western MBTs.
The Type 90, TKX and Ariete should probably be classed as light MBTs, of course they are faster.
The M1A2 is faster than a Leopard 2A7, in both forward and reverse speeds.
All western MBTs have garbage armour at the moment
Is it?
Its not, unless compared to the light MBTs, then duh.
It does not.
It’s the widest and tallest MBT apart from the Challengers. I’m ignoring the Challengers cause they genuinely just genuinely suck so much.
Most western MBTs can be roofpenned, but the Abrams is the easiest because its roof is literally sloped and sticks out. You can HE it very reliably. With something like a Leopard you need to hit something that sticks out. Hence, it’s worse at hull-down gameplay.
All western MBTs have garbage armor at the moment
Armor barely matters for what it’s worth. But eitherway, Leopard armor is a lot more reliable than Abrams armor when fighting MBTs from the front. Those 30cm that the Leopard’s front plate pulls down to cover matter a lot since you need to aim further down to kill it which can take half a second to do. With the Abrams you basically aim in the bottom 40% of the tank’s profile and you will at the very least disable it fully. The Leopard it’s more like 33% and the T-72/80/90s it’s like 25%.
That said, outreacting Leopards with the Abrams is way more unlikely because they just need to do less compared to the Abrams player. I don’t think so about the T tanks cause their acceleration is atrocious.
And yes, it’s bigger. And it’s slower to the top competitors which are the Japanese tanks. And it also has less firepower because its reload isn’t 4 seconds like those damned Japanese tanks.
All in all, the Type 90s and TKXs are the top tier best tanks and I’ve known it for a while. What I didn’t know is that they’re “new generation” which some guy mentioned here so that explains it I guess.
Hull armor on western MBTs doesnt but having a turret that cant be lolpenned frontally leading to an ammo rack is worth quite a bit. Type 90s and TKXs are great as long as no one is shooting you quite literally anywhere. But acting like the Abrams is not among the best tanks despite 5 sec reload on the second best gun/round just because its armor is worse than the 6 sec 2A7 is ridiculous. The 2A7 is better imo but Top 3 is still among the best
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The Abrams can be “lolpenned” very easily tho. The sides of the gun are instant disable most of the time. With the Leopard, it’s the bottom and top of the gun instead lol.
Eitherway, the Abrams is good as I said before but it is not the best. It is just average. You can obviously do great with any MBT given you have the skill and luck for enemies to be idiotic and the Abrams offers you it more than tanks like the T-90, Ariete, or Challenger do, but there’s the Leopards, the ZTZs, debatably Merkavas (idk too much about their 12.0+ variants but they are very strong at 10.0-11.0), and of course the Type 90s. So it’s kind of just there in the lower middle.
Theres a difference between “the enemy penned me, i need to retreat and repair” and " the enemy penned my, the dart flew directly into the bustle autoloader that goes around the entire back of my turret and turned my tank into scrap metal".
Second best ammo/gun, 5 second reload, pretty much best protection after the 2A7/T series, decent mobility. I really dont know why youre trying to paint the Abrams as the special needs kid of top tier when the list of clearly better tanks really just boils down to 2A7/122B+. The entire rest is at least debatable
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US top tier is very strong, just that the teams suck.
RU top tier ground is solid only because of CAS, otherwise the tanks generally just suck.
and I suspect most German/Swedish mains would gladly give up that little extra pen for the faster reload.
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Honestly, in our current meta? Abrams might be stronger than 2A7 and 122 due to reload and mobility. Around sales times is when the 2A7 and 122 are at their strongest, as the level 10s can’t aim for LFP.
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RU teams suck equally the CAS just does a better job at concealing that.
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Yeah, the UE-1 hordes are pretty common.
lmao
Their top tier vehicles are good ? the abrams are some of the best top tier MBTs in the game right now.
Between firepower, mobility and their mediocre protection, good turret , bad hull.
They tend to quite well, they just need to be used properly.
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I didnt say they desperately need one. I just meant that a slight buff wouldnt break the US top tier performance. The tanks are decent but the rest doesnt really stand out anymore with the recent powercreep
LDIRCM Helis are not special anymore, the SPAA is ok, fixed wing CAS is probably the worst in the game rn
The M829A2 for the Abrams is the highest penetrating L/44 calibre cannon round in game.
The DM53 out the L/44 cannon has lower pen
Not much will change it unless they get some meta breaking stuff to be fair.
Such is the way of gaming man, they’re still a strong nation for top tier ground, decent for air and navel if absolutely no idea as I’ve only played britain n russia.
How?
that’s one bold statement for them. The F16C is still a great CAS platform.
Playing devils advocate, and ONLY looking at fixed wing CAS, even the F-16C is only firing AGM-65s. Nearly every other nations has something a bit better.
Germany, Britain and Italy = Typhoon with 8x Spice-250 + other weapons (I have mixed opinions about the Spice-250s specifically on the Typhoon but they are okay)
USSR & Japan = KH-38MT (enough said)
France = Rafale with AASM
Israel = F-16 with 8x Spice-250
Sweden = Gripen E with 16x Spice-250
Only nation really weaker than the US is China at the moment. (though I dont know how the J-10C is doing in terms of CAS)
Though I dont think they should get that much of a buff and certainly not the 28x GBU-53 loadouts they are expecting
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Well they did with the 64E but many others got that now
Sure but i can understand if US players feel a bit left behind rn
It is but its worse than the Eurofighter, Rafale, SU30, Gripen E, Israeli F16 the only debatable one is China but even the J10C has 10(?) FnF ir weapons now
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