Current top tier is chaotic and everybody knows it, the “option for smaller matches” dosnt work 70% of the time and 16v16 when everyone has at least 6 missiles, either IRCCM or ARH, is sensory overload,
With the reduction of multipath to 60m (a change I like to see) the only effective way to defeat radar missiles is notching, but how can you notch 3 missiles coming at you from 3 different directions? Simple answer, you cannot,
Heres some examples
F16C has 6 missile hardpoints
F15C has 8
SU27SM has 10
MiG-29SMT has 6
Mirage 2000-5F has 8
Jas-39C has 6
on average lets say an aircraft has 8 missiles.
32 players in a game times 8 equals 256
32x8=256
Even if we go with an average of 6 its still 192 missiles in any game.
The F16C has 120cms and the MiG29SMT has 116 and the Su27SM has 96. Thats alot of countermeasures but against that many missiles, again some being IRCCM, which require alot more flares, you run out fast.
I think 10v10 or 8v8 games would be a lot better for top tier as 16v16 is way too much.
Or we should get an AIR RB EC style gamemode where the games last hours with different objectives like intercept the enemy convoy/bombers or you can just do air to air. I think this would make the grind alot better as you can do ground attack until you get good missiles.
Something you could join in whenever and leave whenever.
A good start would be reducing the match sizes in regular AIR RB
I just want an explanation from the devs on why they keep the 16v16 when theres so much outrage from the players
Now how many of those missiles are IR?
96 countermeasures against 8 missiles is more than enough.
There isn’t “so much outrage” as most players are content.
16v16 is inherently easier on the individual player than the more arcadey and competitive lower player counts.
I play Battlefield over CS2 because I’m a cog in the machine instead of some uber soldier.
I play War Thunder over tourney’s for the same reason. I prefer being a cog in the machine.
Yeah having to do 130 billion top tire complex maneuvers to beat simple mouse click is what makes me laugh when I hear people “You need to have skill to play top tire”.
Maps are waaaaaaaaay too small - basically forcing 24 people into a close-range deathmatch where tactics don’t really matter. You will be detected within 10s of leaving the runway. So straight away we’re talking too damn close for modern air to air.
Within 30s of the game starting you are in range of the other team. Within 45s you will potentially have missiles (plural - usually quite a lot) hurtling towards you.
The result is a sort of brainless missile spam meta. Two teams just spawn in - lob missiles at each other, get killed or not - rinse and repeat. Fun, engaging or entertaining, it most certainly isn’t.
The real kicker is that it’ll only get worse. We’re currently ‘enjoying’ the first generation of Fox-3s. Just wait until you’re stuck on a postage stamp of a map with something like METEOR running around - the no-escape zone will cover most of the map.
I wasnt talking about Ground RB, its boring and worse than air rb
yes and ive done 1v7’s before, their alot of fun, but when the monkeys on my team all instantly die after climbing too high and trying to LARP and im left with a 1v14 or whatver it is, its impossible, even a 1v10 would be really hard at top tier
8x16 is still 128, and even if each player only fires 2, thats still 32 missiles
yes, the maps are too small, thats why I like those EC, maps, their much better but still your instantly in detection range of the enemy team
Espically tomcat players, they love to fire all 6 of their AIM-54s as soon as they get to altitude
The meteor AIM-120D R77M PL-15/21, their all going to be insanly good, and imagine when the new american AIM-174B or AIM-260 are added, it wont be fair
Smaller pool matches net less rp and sl on average due to just less players (and more skilled players in thise matches as you have to actually turn it on so no zomies will ever show up there)
So why even bother in this grindy game? If they added more rp/sl sure. Otherwise smaller pool matches really only benefits base bombers in planes too slow to normally get there first and ground pounders (why gaijin doesnt want to in the first place).
The maps aren’t small, they’re too congested. If the targets and spawn points were more spread out, air RB would be much better. However, that doesn’t stop 16v16 being awful and incredibly steamroll-y.
Not true, when you actually have an impact on a game youll get alot more rp and SL, if your defending against ARH’s all game, youll get nothing, also each kill will be more rewarding and make you want to play more