I keep screenshots of the times notable vehicles that are bad against MBTs spam matches.
I haven’t seen BMPTs spam matches since April because good players aren’t spawning them due to them being weaker than T-80U, and I’m not seeing other players spawn them for the same reason.
That was the highest amount of BMPT spam, and of no coincidence the BMPT team lost due to using what is effectively an IFV against heavily armored MBTs, many of which they can’t even hope to deal with.
“Look, guys, I have a 2+ month old screenshot of me getting 7 kills during BMPT spam era, GB strong. (ignore the other 100 matches)”
You mean the other 100 matches where the teams that won were the ones against BMPTs [of which sadly most of the time BMPTs were on my team].
Cause win rate has nothing to do with tank capability, but players their skill and if they utilize MBTs or not.
Challenger 2s are good 11.7s at the minimum, and while others have difficulties all I can share is the survivability onion.
No, play russia and get one of their op tanks, press w, have more fun than with any strategy with Britain
Yes! This is because this thread with 10k commens of people complaining is actually fake, check it out:
Yes! That’s also true! That’s because the BMPT/72 win rate spiking to 80% at one time was because any lamo with 80€ could turn money into skill!
The harriers are good looking
BMPT had a high win rate due to a brand new tank people didn’t understand the weakspots on, AS WELL AS it being 10.3 instead of 11.3+ where it was facing rounds that didn’t make dealing with it easy [obvious not talking about 120S here].
You can call that topic fake all you want, but there’s a reason I defended moving BMPT up to 11.3/11.7.
12.0 is necessary to make 10.7 better
I could show one of my good matches in the TES, i wont because im not gonna lie about it. Its awful, i just cant stop playing it because it looks so good.
The only usable challengers at top tier are the black night and 2e, other than that the others are just worse for zero gain other than preference. And even then, fighting russia is still cancer that isnt fun.
The only 10.7s that struggle are Abrams & Leopard 2A4s, which I’ve argued shouldn’t be 10.7 to begin with when firing the ammunition they have.
A 1.3 BR difference because of 360 - 450mm of kinetic protection on non-weakspots and mobility?
Nah mate.
There are tanks in America with more changes and less of a BR increase.
Maybe there’s a case for them if all of 11.7 was moved up to 12.0, which of course includes Chally 2s & T-80Us.
@Tea_And_Country
The biggest thing is Britain, Soviets, etc get stomped by Abrams because America has 12.7s sitting at 12.0 for no reason.
At least SEP V3 is 12.7, but even then it’s better than all but Strv 122 for which it’s on-par to.
5.3 second reload M829A3/A2/KE-W A2 is wild with that mobility & protection. Even if the protection isn’t exactly that of Strv 122.
Makes me chuckle but yeah, somehow America has become the nation that roles at top tier now all of a sudden. The soviets are the only nation that can compete with them due to the amount of good tanks each has, although i think it has more to do with the issue of updates where all the good players flock to the new and most anticipated tanks. I just dont think that many people wanted a t90m with aps.
What ive noticed is, as long as america can kill them quick enough to stop them from spawning cas they’ll win. If they dont then the kh38/lmur spam can push them back, or just annoy them in most cases as players in general are not great.
Soviets can’t do anything against USA when teams are of equal skill.
Soviets have 3 top MBTs [one added this update], USA has 10+, and all but 4 are 12.0 or lower.
USA was only ever “bad” because skilled players played other tech trees.
Britain, Sweden, Germany all provide American tanks a larger threat than Soviets ever could. Not because Chally 2s are great, but because Chally 2s are better than T-90As & T-72B3s, and Britain has the two Abrams now as well.
People think Soviet tanks are good just cause they’re controlled by skilled players… and that’s just wrong.
1 on 1, Soviet MBTs are sat around the 3rd or 4th best tank families in-game. Still annoying at times, and almost certainly overperforming in a number of ways, but… are reasonably balanced.
The issue with the soviets at top tier is everything else in their line-up.
BMPT is still OP as hell.
Pantsir S1 is still one of the best SPAA in-game, let alone now also the Buk and Pantsir SM-SV.
KH-38MTs remain one of, if not the strongest AGMs. With a highly capable launch aircraft (actually might be the best top tier aircraft at hte moment given the current meta)
MI-28NM is just as strong as any other, we’ll have to see if the LMUR nerfs have balanced it agaisnt the others, but for a while there it was distinctly better.
So yes, Soviet MBTs specifically might not be the best top tier tanks at the moment, but GRB is not a single vehicle gamemode, its a line-up gamemode, and they do have one of the strongest complete line-ups.
and Pretending that Britain is somehow similar is just hilarious, we have one of, if not maybe the weakest MBTs at top tier, no top tier AFV, an extremely bugged and underperforming ARH SAM and very weak fixed wing CAS, with the only thing of real note being able to sling a load of ALARM from the GR4, but if playing 11.7, then you get no ARM, not a single ARM carrier as they were all considered “too OP” but Soviets can get ARM at 11.0 like its nothing…
Leopard 2, Abrams, Type 10, then 4 can be argued over plenty of options: T-90M, ZTZ-99A, VT4, Merkava Mk4, Ariete AMV specifically… like depending on your ability to improvise, any of these can be better or worse.
If you can deal with slower MBTs firing mid rounds, T-90M is better for you. If you can deal with lower armor best, Ariete AMV & Merkava are better for you.
Top BR’s mobility & lolpen meta has ruined any tactical thinking beyond positioning, ambushing, and getting first shot off.
It’s so situational once you get to what is #4, and that was 1 tank for Soviets until this update added T-90M Arena.
BMPT can’t be OP so long as most+ 11.7 MBTs are 11.7.
There are at least 16 tanks better than BMPT at the same BR as BMPT, and yes that’s not counting Arietes despite them having better offensive capability than BMPT.
Jagdpanzer IV is the best 4.3 in the game, there is no 4.3 better than it. That’s a symptom of an OP vehicle.
Britain has 2 MBTs better than every Soviet MBT now, one is squadron so you gotta wait a couple months, but the other isn’t.
I hate that top BR is just which team brings more MBTs & uses them better. It is boring.
Oh wow, CAS spam lost a team a match. BMPT/IFV spam lost a team a match. SPAA spam lost a team a match. It’s too predictable.
On top of that, any of those spams can incorrectly cause the opposite team to panic & leave early despite having 2x the spawn points over the enemy team. Clearly winning in endurance, leaves & loses.
Type 10 when the type 90 is just better? ztz is not in the top 5, neither is the merk or the ariete?
Right, and only because Gaijin wont actually fix the Challenger 2 or add the Challenger 3.
You’ve got to use a C&P tank instead of a native tank. Doesnt address the fact that we have very weak fixed wing CAS and one of hte weakest SPAA
Type 90 is worse than Type 10…
Depends on what you’re most comfortable with in a tank.
It gets nuanced.
Some have better armor, some have better mobility, some have better rounds, some are a combination of those things.
Ariete AMV has a meta round, reload, & mobility.
T-90M has competitive armor.
Merkava Mk4 has a fantastic round, good mobility, I forget its reload.
Asking yourself what you prefer will change your answer, right…
Chally 2s I’m more comfy in than T-80Us.
T-80BVM I’m more comfy in than Black Night despite Black Night protecting me against Kh-38s and Spikes.
Leopard 2A4M I’m more comfy in than T-90M, but it’s part of the Leopard family which is the goalpost Morvran decided on.
I won’t move the goalposts to specific Leopards & Abrams out of respect for his goalpost.
Ive played a t80 before, all i did was hold w and i ended up just living (while tanking numerous shots btw) without many kills due to stock heat. Some tanks are just better than others. The tanks i know are the challenger, ariete and type 90/10 and i can safely say none of these can be considered for top tanks. I like all of them, doesn’t make them good.
An example for each would be:
The arietes are just light tanks in disguise so cannot be considered mbts.
Type 90 is more spacious than the type 10 while being more mobile therefore able to reach the flanks you can utilise the 4 second reload.
Challengers have been talked about to death, so there problems are well known with the only thing required is for gaijin to pull their thumbs out their ass and do something other than make it worse.
I’ve done the identical thing in M1A1, Chally 2E, T-72B3, 9.0 WMA-301, etc…
Coming across players that don’t know where to shoot, or aren’t particular aware of their surroundings doesn’t mean anything other than skill difference.
Type 90 cannot be more mobile than Type 10, it has a marginally higher top forward speed, but that is top speed not mobility.
& yes, I and countless others have spoken on the issues with Challenger 2s; some of those issues aren’t specific to Challenger 2s, such as MBT mobility over-performing in War Thunder compared to real life.
One person’s explanation for this is Gaijin modeling shaft HP as drive-sprocket HP rather than accounting for other tank functions.
IDK if that’s my conclusion, but that does make all MBTs over-perform in War Thunder, even if Type 10 is only over-performing by 1 second in acceleration over a distance of 200ish meters. Type 90 over-performing by multiple seconds [while still being slower to accelerate than Type 10].
So on and so forth.
Thank you for explaining, and no i dont mind reading it after all i asked the question lmao. But anyways i have played a bit of 10.7 britain because i own the Recent event vehicle (CRV block 2) and i quite enjoyed the free tank you get with it if its the chally or the vickers, but from what i have seen now it seems thats the only enjoyable BR to play at with britain, so quite unfortunate since i am looking to have some fun in top tier.