Give the F-15’s BOL, and add a C (late) for top BR with AESA and double racks, hell, maybe even quad racks bc why not
And this is all good
My list wasn’t very in depth, because there is alot more vehicles that I didn’t mention.
Yes, which is why it should be the same BR as the worst early fox 3 carries. It has an incredible radar and good RWR/flight performance, in exchange for limited missile count and capability.
As much as I’d like to see an F-15C Late, we’re sadly more than likely not getting dual-rack AIM-120s on the F-15C. From what I’m aware of, those were just mounting tests and never fully wired to handle that many AMRAAMs:
While cool, I just don’t expect to see them :/
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That picture is more documentation than there was for Kh-38 on Su-30SM and double racks R-77 for Su-27/30SM
Just saying
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Thank you :)
I wouldn’t go so far as to say the F-15C should be up there. I’d argue the F-15E and F-15C would need their AESA radar upgrades to be on par with the Eurofighter and Rafale. And even then it’s iffy for the F-15C.
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Gaijin add AIM-9X (Block 1) & AIM-120C-7 for F-15C MSIP II, F-15E, F-16C Block 50, and F/A-18C late if deompression battle rating to 15.0
EF-2000, F-2000A and Typhoon FGR.4 receive 5th gen IR missile AIM-132 (Block 1) & AIM-2000 and active radar homing BVR missile AIM-120C-5 after expand BR to 15.0
Yeah I was considering this as well. Putting the current 14.0s at 15.0 definitely leaves more room for other BRs to be helped out.
The main thing I worry about is future additions being better than the F-15E and Su-30SM while still being on par with the Rafale and Eurofighter. But for now we don’t have to worry about that, and it’s definitely better to leave more room below.
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Absolutely not???
As much as I would like to see AIM-120C-7s and AIM-9Xs, that defeats the whole purpose of the decompression being done here.
The game is already woefully compressed with the planes at their current BRs. Adding new, more oppressive, weaponry is not the way forward.
I also don’t expect to see Gaijin adding new air-to-air weapons to the F-15C and F-16C we have in game. The F-15E may end up getting new weapons, but we’ll have to see. I’m expecting Gaijin to implement Late versions of what we already have in game.
maybe they will update IR signatures, countermeasures, and simple ECM stuff like towed and disposable decoys
some of those are applicable to F-15, F-16, F/A-18, and F-14
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Game could use decompression but in all reality, a simple change to .07+/-BR difference instead of 1.0+/-BR difference could change the game so vastly that being up tier wouldn’t make everyone hate the game so much.
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The only 2 things I dislike about going to +/- 0.7 are:
- it’s hard to explain to new players
- it looks awful (imo).
In theory it should absolutely work, but I’d argue the BR scale needs to change to +/- 0.5 to both look better and make more sense to new players. That way it can also still be +/- 1.0, having bigger numerical jumps, but having smaller jumps in vehicle capabilities between BRs.
For example, starting from 1.0:
- 1.0 = 1.0
- 1.3 = 1.5
- 1.7 = 2.0
- 2.0 = 2.5
- 2.3 = 3.0
- 2.7 = 3.5
- 3.0 = 4.0
- And so on…
Having +/- 0.7 means we have 3 BRs in one match (eg. 1.7, 2.0, 2.3). Using the +/- 0.5 scale, we get the same thing under a different name (2.0, 2.5, 3.0), and it looks much better imo.
Edit: Sorry for any confusion. When I said +/- 0.5, I meant to say +/- 1.0 with 0.5 BR jumps.
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.05 will and never work. Yes it’s simple for face value. But since gaijin did off numbers like 1.3 and 2.7. .07+/- is the best decision. It isn’t complicated at all if you just know that 0.7 is the BR spread, the game isn’t new player friendly from the get go so using that as an excuse for difficulty or negating the idea is as bad as saying it looks ugly. So does the X.3 or X.7 BR on various vehicles. lol.
If you wanted to change the BR spread to X.5+/-, decompression has to completely be overhauled, the values of vehicles has to all be changed to .0 or .5 values instead of the off numbers they use as .3 or .7 values. Not to mention it would vastly limit different vehicles you’d see in a match very small, and make finding games in weird BR ranges harder to play and find games without changing servers or meshing them.
The simplicity of changing the code for .7+/- instead of 1.0+/- is much easier through and through without altering any vehicle BRs and get a better win/loss graph for future vehicle BR changes. And less chance for Gaijin to fubar something as per usual when altering something.
Thus, less changing the overall BR stats, shrinking the up tier that everyone hates and overall better even games across the board that won’t be so vastly one sided. This would also help the ODL games as well since people will have an easier time staying out of that BR range in ground. And lighten the craziness of high tier Jets missile spam.
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Or as I’ve mentioned on the forum before, make BRs more specific so planes can be 7.2, 9.9, 10.5 and etc so ±1.0 wouldn’t be as much of a problem.
But any decompression is fine by me, I just don’t want to fight full aspect missiles in a F-4J anymore.
Sorry, I miscommunicated what I meant. I was saying +/- 0.5 when I meant to say +/- 1.0 with 0.5 BR jumps. This would be the exact same system as +/- 0.7, it’s just with the numbers shifted.
New players don’t simply just know things. These things have to be explained, and +/- 0.7 with 0.3 BR jumps simply isn’t as intuitive as +/- 1.0 with 0.5 BR jumps.
No it doesn’t, the BRs just have to be converted from 0.3 scale to 0.5 scale. As I showed before, that’s not hard to do. You just make equivalent BRs starting at 1.0, increase them by their respective rates, and now you have a conversion table for every vehicle to be converted.
Changing the BRs to +/- 1.0 with 0.5 BR jumps is the same exact system as +/- 0.7. The only difference is cosmetics. +/- 0.7 allows you to face the same exact number of vehicles as +/- 1.0 with 0.5 BR jumps in any given match.
Sure? But that doesn’t mean it’s hard for +/- 1.0 with 0.5 BR jumps to be done. Like I said, each and every vehicle would get a new converted BR.
W proposal
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I think we should decompress to 16.0-16.7 and not only focus on the top tier but also the area like 6.0 & 8.0 where the prop meet jet and WW2 meet Cold War vehicle
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Agreed, although that would definitely be another post all on its own. I mostly play top tier, so that’s what my personal bias leans towards.
Plenty of areas need decompression, top tier is just where my focus was for this post.
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Idk if you’ve been here long enough to know that gaijin will never alter their BR scope. It will always be .0/.3/.5/.7. It’s been that way from the start, it will always be that way until the decide to introduce paper vehicles.
A .5+/- spread would mean the highest you’d see in a game is .5 above you while you’re bottom tier. A 1.0+/-BR spread is what is currently in the game meaning the highest you’d see is 1.0BR above you. A 0.7+/-BR spread is what you’d perfect want. Highest you’d ever see at being low tier is .7 above you, at being high tier the lowest you’d see is .7.
Perfect example of this right now is the F18C Early. It’s 12.7. Current it can fight against the Mig23ML at 11.7 (which is completely dominates), but with a .7+/-BR you’d only ever see at lowest would be the F4S Prem (which is on par armament wise). When being low tier in the F18C Early, you see as high as the SU27SM which outclasses the F18 early in almost every aspect, with a .7BR+/- you’d see that but more of the likes of Mig29SMT which is more on par to the F18C Early. And this wouldn’t need to change the BR at all.
.7+/- is the most simple way to fix BR decompression without altering the BR of vehicles and screwing up what is already there. Don’t fix what’s not broken, IE the Br categories are fine, the 1.0BR spread is what’s broken. And I don’t feel the need to break down more examples of it. lol. Logically it’s what needs to be done. This would nullify 85% of the compression problems in the game without hurting the wait times as well for games.
I will die on this hill. BR changes and decompression just screws up more stuff than what’s already there, plus it takes them too long to figure out BR changes.
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So F-15E from USA tech tree around 2020 ~ present ?
I suppose 4 fighter aircraft might get AIM-120C-7
- F-15E
- F-16C Block 50
- Gripen C (HuAF & RTAF)
- F/A-18C late
5 fighter aircraft armed AIM-9X (Blk 1)
- F-15C MSIP II
- F-15E
- F-16AM MLU
- F-16C Block 50
- F/A-18C (USN/USMC)
F-16C Block 50 around 2015 ~ 2019, but pre PoBIT upgrade