Top Tier Balance is a complete Joke. It needs Fixed

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Pushed back to spawn in under 3 minutes. Completely overwhelmed by vehicles superior to our own.

There’s nothing the Abrams or Merkava series can do against the Strv 122, Leopard 2A7, T-80BVM, or Type 10. They are objectively better in most aspects.

Shooting the STRV 122 can feel like aiming for a needle while he just has to hit you anywhere.

The Leopard 2A7 is the same way.

The T-80BVM is way too fast and can outrun even light tanks by miles. I couldn’t even push into town before he was already in our spawn.

The Type 10 is exceptionally quick and can easily annihilate everything with its 4 second reload. Although it doesn’t have armor, it has many other aspects that make it troubling to deal with in a fight.

The Merkava and Abrams don’t do anything better than the other vehicles in this game. The Abrams is sluggish, and the armor isn’t significant. Anything can penetrate you easily. As for the Merkava, it can get around pretty well, but it can’t even stop 10.0 AP rounds, let alone 9.7 Missiles.

There’s nothing fair about 11.7. Decompression is needed badly, and many Minor Nation’s Main Battle Tanks need buffed alongside the Abrams in some way. It’s simply absurd to consider the M1A2, Merkava, Ariete, Leclerc, and many other top tier tanks on par with the STRV 122, Leopard 2A7, and T-80BVM.

I propose a BR cap increase to 14.0 for Air and Ground and a major buff to all Minor Nation Main Battle Tanks (other than the 122 series) as well as the Abrams.

As someone who loves this game, I’m pained by seeing this absurdity go unchecked.

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Strv 122 buff no way

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Sweden is not a Minor Nation at top tier. Don’t be ignorant.

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US and Israel are really suffering in Top Tier, i hope next major update would focus more on filling the big gaps between every nation, they deserve to be equivalent next to them.

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“There’s nothing I can do, being able to one tap my enemy is too complicated for me”

You, objectively have a skill issue my guy.

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One tap what tanks? 2A7? or the B+?

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You obviously haven’t played Top Tier if you think the M1A2 stands a fair chance against the Strv 122 or Leopard 2A7.

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Nothing is fair about this. The Abrams doesn’t get a spall liner. The Leopards do and can shrug off any damage you do put into them. They’re significantly better.

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Both can be one tapped in the hull reliably, and unreliably in the turret with a lucky ammo rack. The BVM is harder though.

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Welp, bro got a point

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There’s a big possibility to miss that shot or the target is moving or your shot gonna go through the tank and only damage the engine.

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The Issue with the BVM is that it’s too fast for how much protection it has. It doesn’t get effected by mud like other Main Battle Tanks do. It’s faster than the Type 10 on average and has armor rivaling even the Strv 122 in most places.

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There’s a big possibility of missing every tank if it’s moving, and if you’re not aiming for the crew, instead aiming for empty space you’re just going to damage the engine. I.e exactly what also happens for an STRV or BVM firing on an Abrahams.

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There’s a difference here, the Abrahams get a better round with more penetrations and the ability to use its superior thermals (against the 122) to get off the first shot. The gun mantlet is green, the upper front is green. Is it really that hard not to aim for the turret cheeks or lower front, i.e shoot at the big ass green weak spots? And not to mention your goddamn reload time, you stand a great ass chance taking them out.

Obviously, the 122 and the 2A7 is superior, ain’t gonna deny that. But it aint some wonder weapon against a tiny car.

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A Chance versus 100 percent of the time is absurd. The Strv 122 is better armored and faster than the Abrams. Unlike the Strv 122, the Abrams can die frontally to WW2 tanks and autocannons.

Wanna see something even worse? Let me show you even worse balance.

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The Merkava doesn’t stand even a slight chance of stopping ANY top tier round including HEAT weapons. I’ve even died to a Tiger 2 frontally in it.

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The only bad top tier MBT’s are Ariete, Merkava’s and Challenger’s where as Challengers are the worst, where as the Mrekava’s are the best out of these three. Abrams are highly competetive now, that they got 5s reload and external fuel tanks don’t spall which is almost the equivalent of getting armor on lower plate. If you want to play in “objective truths” then Type-10 is utter garbage in comparison to Abrams. You get 1s faster reload and gen 3 thermals (instead of gen 2) for unplayable driving model, much less forgiving armor, clunky gun depression mechanics, bad survivability - your fuel tanks get hit - you explode, worse round than Abrams, and the worst - aiming speed is FUCKING HORRENDOUS which makes playing aggressive in this tank somewhat hard. Strv’s are obviously broken i won’t argue with that, but it’s not as bad as it used to be when they just got spall liners that lasted a few shots, and protected more from shrapnel. As for 2A7 - it’s good, great even, just not really for aggressive playstyle since your v-max is limiting factor, but as long as it snipes long range with it’s gen 3 thermals it’s a beast for sure. T-80BVM isn’t that faster than Abrams. If you had trouble getting to the middle of the map when BVM already was on your spawn then all i can say is turn off the option to join already running battles. And BVM surely isn’t faster than a light tank (since the only real “top tier” light tank is HSTV-L which is WAAAAY faster than the BVM). As for the Leclercs, they are my favourite MBT’s (and kinda my only top tiers on my own account), and i don’t think they need any more buffs, they are already godlike, one small change i would make is so that fuel explosions happen less often. To be absolutely honest, the state of top tier ATM is pretty good, all the major nations (Germany, USA, and USSR) are well balanced and the only truly unbalanced nation is Sweden. And if you think Abrams are bad, imagine Challengers, that have roughly the same armor, but worse survivability, either 5s reload with only 3 rounds in ready rack (Chally’s 2) or 6s with normal amount of rounds in ready rack (Chally 3), where the only version that uses not underpenning round is the Chall 3. Awful gun elevation and turret rotation. Either awfully slow (Chally 2’s excluding 2E), almost abrams-fast (2E) or fast accelerating but still awfully slow v-max (Chall 3).

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A similar round not better, it can do the same damage.

ricochet most of the time, you gotta aim for the lower plate and that’s tricky.

Take the reload and give the minor nations armor? is it a big thing to ask for?

You gotta hide, not be seen (its hard since the “Abrahams” turret got a lot of useless stuff on it.

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That’s the problem, they’re always the first tanks to reach and capture, i know no good reverse speed but still if i can just hold W and bounce every shot that’s better.

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There’s no such thing as a 100% chance in top tier, you always have to aim to weak spots or you’ll just go straight through, same for any tank, not to mention how prone to ricoche the abrahams front is. And the Abrams being able to die from WW2 tanks and autocannons? That goes for all tanks man. And yeah, the merkava needs it’s armor fixed.

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The same goes for the abrams? If you aim too high you going to end up ricocheting. if you aim too low only the driver dies.

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You will only survive if their shell’s path doesn’t have anything in it or if the game bugs. That is it. There is no armor.

The entire Merkava is a Weakpoint. That’s not balanced.

No, it doesn’t. Only the worst tanks in the game at top tier die to autocannons frontally.