He will never accept your arguments or even think about.
These 2 talking to me are the same. They never used 120s in battle, so they only know the defensive side.
Let us wait till they have some battles in 120’s planes and they will become silent.
And a small bet: They will use the same braindead tactic they are talking about.
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Indeed.
Don’t get me wrong, the 120s are still nice, I’m not suggesting that they are bad or something- it’s just that, in the meta, missiles capable of pulling 50G turns from launch thanks to thrust-vectoring can obviously pull way more kills way more easily in the close and medium range engagements that take place normally.
Sure, 120s are annoying from long ranges because you have to defend… the key here is that you CAN defend against them. But you can’t defend against a MICA that pulls G’s like a maniac and will turn 270° to hit you if necessary.
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That’s what I am talking about the whole time.
They are just different.
Same principle with every vehicle. You have to learn to play around their weaknesses. And the moment you are able to it becomes annoying to your enemy.
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My thing is, IDK where the enemy is, could well be a FK90 if i just decided to make turns which gets me killed (likely) or AMRAAM, (in the case I am in a sino flanker) I really do not know what to make of the SPO-15M’s info, pretty much nothing. MICA EM is not really that bad cause not like R77 or anything won’t do pretty much the same thing most of the time.
Average american main
Strangely I got atlest two 3 kill Games in the su27sm yesterday and a huge number of 2 kill games meanwhile in the F15c I have to work really hard to get two kills
And in the f15E it’s even worse to the point even getting a single kill is considered a good Game and the number of 2 kill games is in the Single digit’s
It is sort of how u play it, I am getting really easy two and three kill games in J10, which I consider at this point one of the best fighters, be it bad for BVR. Su27SM is a similar vehicle and as I also played J11A which is a worse version of that, I would think it is because when playing F15s u auto pilot into thinking AMRAAMs should get u kills, and then ending up getting into situations where u wouldn’t with Su27 as u are almost always crawling on the floor anyways.
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The problem is that, while some players knows how to defend against a long range Aim120, the majority of the playerbase just straight up sucks. Having long range missile that are easy to evade is a big deal when 50% of the lobby dont try to evade. And compounded by the sheer number of missiles the Aim120 launch in early game, there’s always half a team that get obliterated before the merge.
The good pilot who evaded now is outnumbered 2 to 1. As strong as the MICA is, it’s a very difficult situation. ESPECIALLY since right now the spotting is hyper mega broken and disadvantage tremendously planes that fights WVR. Right now you see missile diamonds before you see the planes.
I see it myself with the F15JM. I usually fire my 3 Aim120 for the early game then keep my 4AAM4 for the merge. I very very easily get at least one 120 hit. But with the quantity of players, that’s usually 5-6 players or more that get outright killed immediately.
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That isn’t AMRAAM’s fault lol
if players don’t try to evade it
they deserve to die.
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Jesus you guys are dense.
The problem is that only ONE side get to decimate the other team for free. How hard it is to understand ? It was the same bullshit with the Aim54. Yes it’s easy to dodge. One team still end up having to fight 2v1.
And on top or this, right now, spotting is completely bugged so WVR planes have it extra hard.
Equalizing the long range capabilities for every nation would be a good thing.
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Sadly not possible
Not even in the same Nation the F15c is alot better in bvr than the f16C or Harrier av8b+
And then there are the F14 which are the only Planes that can get 100km kills on Paper
Unlike ir missiles which perform pretty similar no matter the Carrier aircraft radar missiles Depend highly on the launch aircraft Having a good Radar
BVR is a combination of factors, F15Es are dominant previously as a result to having the best missile and the fastest speed, both of which are less insane now as eurofighters come in. And as of RN, personally I think rafale is the best. Although it also depends significantly on play style, as I really do no BVR at all.
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Rafale is one of the least competitive BVR aircraft in the game right now. MICA’s hard limited range, excessive drag and overall performance are nowhere as strong as the “roll face on keyboard to win” F-15E in BVR.
Now if they’re bad enough to get WVR; the MICA wrecks house, but that implies they don’t just sit at 8km and M2.2 throwing AIM-120 at people for the whole match. Which isn’t really that hard. They can fly toward any MICA carrier and have a decent probability of kill with no return fire for 35km distance, and only become vulnerable to counterfire at ranges less than 8km. That’s a ton of time to make a slow turn away from the Rafale and negate their strong WVR abilities.
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I know but AMRAAM spam is really not hard to dodge, and the fact that I currently do not have any BVR capable jets also tells me to sit on the floor and flank. U can pretty much play any ARH or even R27ET by flanking but MICA to me works best in this scenario. Rafale is still probably the best WVR, and with BVR that is really the F15E and EF game.
Muh double sides argument.
I’ve played vehicles with amraams, they are much more superior to anything that doesn’t get amraams.
The fact is that they can take shots at 40km’s when my missile will never reach such a distance.
Continue plugging your ears and singing a love song to yourself
Oh also i love how the mica’s he value is so low and because of this games terrible fucking damage modeling, all i get are fucking crits which turn into assists.
This thing does not belong to 14.0
R77-1 and r77 much better than the aim120 at Ranges that Matter
Not useable at Long Ranges but given how horrible Russian tws is not really a loss
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R77? Seriously? A missile that has a success rate of 20% within 10km? Nah, R-77-1 is a potentially valid argument, but even then the manoeuvrability only matters if it gets to like 3 km range in which case why not use R-73. AMRAAM is still the best missile, MICA and R771 are still marginally worse overall.
sounds pretty avg to me
given you give the enemy a over 7 second fox3 missile warning ASMR at 10km.
and that’s theoretical best case scenario
pretty terrible bro, the USA achieved over a 50% kill rate on launch with aim7s over Iraq, even better with aim120s later.