Your argument doesn’t hold water. Being that every knows the lepord 2s are the meta.
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New post out, It’s the update to this one go check it out.
So are you implying those highly skilled competitive players took M1s because they have no idea what they’re doing or what ?
Because looking at that heat map, taking M1s is probably the last thing you’d want to do.
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Apples and oranges have nothing in common, such as
I’m say using highly skilled players as an argument is a joke.
Players in tournament use all kinds of nations. Trying to justify balancing by a nich set of players is really fishing.
We’re not talking about apples and oranges, please remain on-topic and answer the question.
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I’m say using highly skilled players as an argument is a joke.
And why is that? The whole argument being proposed by US exclusive players is that the abrams is apparently worse than other tanks, in Pangolins eyes the T-80s. Yet the best players in the game in a competitive setting where they need every edge they can get substantially preferred the abrams family over the T-80s and every team used them in every match regardless of map type which also had the greatest success of any nation.
As motorola pointed out and me, why would the best players in a competitive setting all intentionally use allegedly bad vehicles for the sake of gimping themselves? The answer is, they wouldn’t because it doesn’t make sense.
Players in tournament use all kinds of nations
Except they didn’t. Some nations never seen any play in the latest ground tournament, some nations were played far more than others and a certain nation (the US) was played every single game by every team.
Trying to justify balancing by a nich set of players is really fishing.
This doesn’t mean anything. Also among the three main nations the abrams series are performing better than the other two in general based on the statistics we have. The abrams have more kills per death and kills per battle compared to german and russian vehicles at BRs 11.7 and 12.0 (aside from the 2A7 in the 12.0 vehicle line).
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Yeah, but you’re not really doing anything different. T series has great directional shooting. I can post up on Russian tanks in choke points and not have to worry about which way my tank is facing. I can shoot from anywhere. In the case of Bvm, it has better thermals. And a (seemingly)smaller silhouette( which I appreciate as a USSR player). The autoloader never stops reloading at the same speed even if damaged, once repaired. I have had the autoloader eat entire shells and not explode, both as the guy shooting and the guy being shot.
Not to mention I really can’t recall a replay I’ve watched where the round bounced off ERA and went into the turret ring and disabled the tank or OHKO. Which is a regular enough occurrence in US tanks.
Splitting hairs over 1 second difference at full out sprint isn’t really a huge difference and if it is a slower to accelerate it would also make that difference up over some difference with a better top speed.
There is no strong comparisons between USSR and U.S. top tier tanks, they’re basically about even with strengths and weakness’s really depending on the map IMO. It’s not like comparing a Leo to an M1,t80,ariete, challenger.
This is all my opinion of course.
Seeing US and RU mains argue over their tanks like one is gods gift and the other is a scrub completely ignoring the real gods gifts at top tier continues to elude me other than some weird nationalistic sense of pride in a game.
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I don’t follow tournaments, are these tournaments GRB or TO mode?
The latest tournament was ground only, no air allowed.
Eh, well then there goes my assumption. If it was GRB I’d immediately have assumed it would have been to have the better CAP, and potentially better CAS.
I think it’s true there’s a higher skill floor and lower ceiling to t series and lower skill floor and higher ceiling to Abrams.
Just gets hard to extract that, when your team is shit and full of 1DL, because quantity is a quality of its own and matches often become more quantity vs less quantity pretty fast.
I think Abrams are on par with t series.
Just gets hard to extract that, when your team is shit and full of 1DL
Which is a large part of why I dislike people trying to cite win rates. Win rates are affected by so many varying factors that we can’t quantify with the data we have available to us.
Russia was actually a fairly low pick for the teams in the latest tournament, even on close range maps where some teams tried it and then just switched back to the US.
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Obviously that highly skilled players know what they’re doing, so commonly seeing them taking M1s surely means M1s aren’t such awful vehicles some here try to portray them to be.
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The lineups heavily favored America, and the vehicles allowed were basically from two years ago iirc. “Having one of, if not the only lineup of several 11.7 vehicles” is not as Abrams-favoring as you are making it seem.
The only vehicles that basically weren’t allowed were the fully spall lined leos because nobody denies they are top dog.
Russia had 3 T-80s and the T-72B3 (BVM included). The person I am responding to is trying to claim the T-80s are so much better than the abrams and yet the abrams was picked over them in every situation including close range maps. In fact the russian line-up had more higher BR vehicles than the US one.
So yeah, it is pretty favoured to the abrams. The US was objectively the best performing and most selected/played.
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Who cares. The M1A2 is better than T-90M in about 50 other ways.
The M1 series is better than like 7 different factions. The only tanks that are better are 2A5 derivatives. People who say RU tanks are good more often than not have terrible stats.
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The lineups were as follows:
- Great Britain - Challenger 3, 2E, 2F, Black Knight
- Sweden - CV90120, T-80U, Strv 121, Leo 2A4
- Italy - Ariete, AMV, PSO, Centauro 120
- France - Leclerc, SXXI, S2, AZUR
- Germany - 2A5, 2A4, 2K, 2 PL
- USSR - T-80BVM, T-72B3, T-80U, T-80B
- Japan - Type 10, TKX (P), Type 90, Type 90 (B)
- China - WZ1001(E) LCT, ZTZ99A, VT4A1, MBT-2000
- Israel - Merkava 3M, 4B, 3C, 3B
- USA - M1A2, M1, M1A1, IPM1
The lineups were pretty heavily favored towards the US, especially since the tanks with spall liners on more than just the turret cheeks weren’t allowed. Even then, Merkavas were used nearly as often as M1A2’s, so are we to believe the Merkavas are some of the best top tiers?
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You’re forgetting that the merkava HE shell at the time (and still does as far as I know) could reliably instantly kill tanks by shooting at roadwheels/underneath making it very strong when used this way. Which is the way they largely used it.
Also literally nothing you said there responded to this:
Russia had 3 T-80s and the T-72B3 (BVM included). The person I am responding to is trying to claim the T-80s are so much better than the abrams and yet the abrams was picked over them in every situation including close range maps. In fact the russian line-up had more higher BR vehicles than the US one.
So yeah, it is pretty favoured to the abrams. The US was objectively the best performing and most selected/played.
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I’ve never said they are awful. I’ve said the sep and V2 are downgrades to the A2.
I’ve also said using highly skilled players in a tenement that had selected vehicles and players that have a vary high skill level is dumb.
Your argument is basically saying the Abrams require a high skill level to be good. And it is true. A really good player can cause the Abrams to outperform other tanks.
That part that you may not be looking at is there is a skill lvl require for the Abrams to be good. The t80 is more forgiving against ave and below avg players. The leopard 2s are more forgiving yet for below avg players.
This is why your argument does not hold water and is a joke.
Woah gtfo of here lol. Sep is certainly an upgrade over m1a2 lol. I got better thermals, the only one that is the same is the AIM.