Yeah, but you’re not really doing anything different. T series has great directional shooting. I can post up on Russian tanks in choke points and not have to worry about which way my tank is facing. I can shoot from anywhere. In the case of Bvm, it has better thermals. And a (seemingly)smaller silhouette( which I appreciate as a USSR player). The autoloader never stops reloading at the same speed even if damaged, once repaired. I have had the autoloader eat entire shells and not explode, both as the guy shooting and the guy being shot.
Not to mention I really can’t recall a replay I’ve watched where the round bounced off ERA and went into the turret ring and disabled the tank or OHKO. Which is a regular enough occurrence in US tanks.
Splitting hairs over 1 second difference at full out sprint isn’t really a huge difference and if it is a slower to accelerate it would also make that difference up over some difference with a better top speed.
There is no strong comparisons between USSR and U.S. top tier tanks, they’re basically about even with strengths and weakness’s really depending on the map IMO. It’s not like comparing a Leo to an M1,t80,ariete, challenger.
This is all my opinion of course.
Seeing US and RU mains argue over their tanks like one is gods gift and the other is a scrub completely ignoring the real gods gifts at top tier continues to elude me other than some weird nationalistic sense of pride in a game.
Eh, well then there goes my assumption. If it was GRB I’d immediately have assumed it would have been to have the better CAP, and potentially better CAS.
I think it’s true there’s a higher skill floor and lower ceiling to t series and lower skill floor and higher ceiling to Abrams.
Just gets hard to extract that, when your team is shit and full of 1DL, because quantity is a quality of its own and matches often become more quantity vs less quantity pretty fast.
Just gets hard to extract that, when your team is shit and full of 1DL
Which is a large part of why I dislike people trying to cite win rates. Win rates are affected by so many varying factors that we can’t quantify with the data we have available to us.
Russia was actually a fairly low pick for the teams in the latest tournament, even on close range maps where some teams tried it and then just switched back to the US.
Obviously that highly skilled players know what they’re doing, so commonly seeing them taking M1s surely means M1s aren’t such awful vehicles some here try to portray them to be.
The lineups heavily favored America, and the vehicles allowed were basically from two years ago iirc. “Having one of, if not the only lineup of several 11.7 vehicles” is not as Abrams-favoring as you are making it seem.
The only vehicles that basically weren’t allowed were the fully spall lined leos because nobody denies they are top dog.
Russia had 3 T-80s and the T-72B3 (BVM included). The person I am responding to is trying to claim the T-80s are so much better than the abrams and yet the abrams was picked over them in every situation including close range maps. In fact the russian line-up had more higher BR vehicles than the US one.
So yeah, it is pretty favoured to the abrams. The US was objectively the best performing and most selected/played.
Who cares. The M1A2 is better than T-90M in about 50 other ways.
The M1 series is better than like 7 different factions. The only tanks that are better are 2A5 derivatives. People who say RU tanks are good more often than not have terrible stats.
Great Britain - Challenger 3, 2E, 2F, Black Knight
Sweden - CV90120, T-80U, Strv 121, Leo 2A4
Italy - Ariete, AMV, PSO, Centauro 120
France - Leclerc, SXXI, S2, AZUR
Germany - 2A5, 2A4, 2K, 2 PL
USSR - T-80BVM, T-72B3, T-80U, T-80B
Japan - Type 10, TKX (P), Type 90, Type 90 (B)
China - WZ1001(E) LCT, ZTZ99A, VT4A1, MBT-2000
Israel - Merkava 3M, 4B, 3C, 3B
USA - M1A2, M1, M1A1, IPM1
The lineups were pretty heavily favored towards the US, especially since the tanks with spall liners on more than just the turret cheeks weren’t allowed. Even then, Merkavas were used nearly as often as M1A2’s, so are we to believe the Merkavas are some of the best top tiers?
You’re forgetting that the merkava HE shell at the time (and still does as far as I know) could reliably instantly kill tanks by shooting at roadwheels/underneath making it very strong when used this way. Which is the way they largely used it.
Also literally nothing you said there responded to this:
Russia had 3 T-80s and the T-72B3 (BVM included). The person I am responding to is trying to claim the T-80s are so much better than the abrams and yet the abrams was picked over them in every situation including close range maps. In fact the russian line-up had more higher BR vehicles than the US one.
So yeah, it is pretty favoured to the abrams. The US was objectively the best performing and most selected/played.
I’ve never said they are awful. I’ve said the sep and V2 are downgrades to the A2.
I’ve also said using highly skilled players in a tenement that had selected vehicles and players that have a vary high skill level is dumb.
Your argument is basically saying the Abrams require a high skill level to be good. And it is true. A really good player can cause the Abrams to outperform other tanks.
That part that you may not be looking at is there is a skill lvl require for the Abrams to be good. The t80 is more forgiving against ave and below avg players. The leopard 2s are more forgiving yet for below avg players.
This is why your argument does not hold water and is a joke.
You don’t require a “high skill level to be good” with the abrams. If it was only top level players that could make the abrams work then it should have horrible performance on the likes of the WTDP. They don’t though, they actually perform above average for US/Ger/USSR. 2A7 takes top spot because it’s a 2A7 but the next in-line is the SEPV2 followed by the SEP.
High skill players prefer the abrams over russian tanks because the russian tanks have too many downsides to get the armour they have which are a hard cap. They don’t really have anything else going for them at that tier aside from armour.
High skill players still prefer Russian tanks/Leopards-Strv’s over Abrams cause they can perform similiar if not better while putting much less effort into those tanks.
Nope. Russia was barely picked in the latest ground only tournament despite having the highest BR vehicles of any of the line-ups. These teams were comprised of some of the top players in the game. Better fact check yourself.
The fully spall lined leopards probably would have been picked over them if they were allowed but nobody is denying that the fully spall lined leos are top dog at the moment.
Im sorry is this game based on tournament or Average gameplay?
Special occasions doesnt change the overall outcome, in average game Russian tanks require significant less skill level while Abrams demands much more, thats why Highly Skilled players tends to play with T-Series or Leo2A7V/Strv122 series because they dont see Abrams that is something worth for high skill level/effort while they can do same or even better in those vehicles i mentioned.
Im sorry is this game based on tournament or Average gameplay?
You were literally just trying to say that high skill players prefer russian tanks over the abrams. These are among the highest skill players in the game in a competitive setting where they want to win at all costs and they chose many other tanks over the russian vehicles.
You are simply wrong and coping.
Special occasions doesnt change the overall outcome, in average game Russian tanks require significant less skill level while Abrams demands much more, thats why Highly Skilled players tends to play with T-Series or Leo2A7V/Strv122 series because they dont see Abrams that is something worth for high skill level/effort while they can do same or even better in those vehicles i mentioned.
Do you have any evidence to prove your claim that high skill players prefer russian vehicles when playing in normal matches? Because everything you just wrote here is complete conjecture.