Who cares. The M1A2 is better than T-90M in about 50 other ways.
The M1 series is better than like 7 different factions. The only tanks that are better are 2A5 derivatives. People who say RU tanks are good more often than not have terrible stats.
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The lineups were as follows:
- Great Britain - Challenger 3, 2E, 2F, Black Knight
- Sweden - CV90120, T-80U, Strv 121, Leo 2A4
- Italy - Ariete, AMV, PSO, Centauro 120
- France - Leclerc, SXXI, S2, AZUR
- Germany - 2A5, 2A4, 2K, 2 PL
- USSR - T-80BVM, T-72B3, T-80U, T-80B
- Japan - Type 10, TKX (P), Type 90, Type 90 (B)
- China - WZ1001(E) LCT, ZTZ99A, VT4A1, MBT-2000
- Israel - Merkava 3M, 4B, 3C, 3B
- USA - M1A2, M1, M1A1, IPM1
The lineups were pretty heavily favored towards the US, especially since the tanks with spall liners on more than just the turret cheeks weren’t allowed. Even then, Merkavas were used nearly as often as M1A2’s, so are we to believe the Merkavas are some of the best top tiers?
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You’re forgetting that the merkava HE shell at the time (and still does as far as I know) could reliably instantly kill tanks by shooting at roadwheels/underneath making it very strong when used this way. Which is the way they largely used it.
Also literally nothing you said there responded to this:
Russia had 3 T-80s and the T-72B3 (BVM included). The person I am responding to is trying to claim the T-80s are so much better than the abrams and yet the abrams was picked over them in every situation including close range maps. In fact the russian line-up had more higher BR vehicles than the US one.
So yeah, it is pretty favoured to the abrams. The US was objectively the best performing and most selected/played.
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I’ve never said they are awful. I’ve said the sep and V2 are downgrades to the A2.
I’ve also said using highly skilled players in a tenement that had selected vehicles and players that have a vary high skill level is dumb.
Your argument is basically saying the Abrams require a high skill level to be good. And it is true. A really good player can cause the Abrams to outperform other tanks.
That part that you may not be looking at is there is a skill lvl require for the Abrams to be good. The t80 is more forgiving against ave and below avg players. The leopard 2s are more forgiving yet for below avg players.
This is why your argument does not hold water and is a joke.
Woah gtfo of here lol. Sep is certainly an upgrade over m1a2 lol. I got better thermals, the only one that is the same is the AIM.
I don’t like the extra weight. IMO it a bad trade.
Oh not me, still fast as can be and aids me in long range engagements. Since I can shoot where I need to better.
You don’t require a “high skill level to be good” with the abrams. If it was only top level players that could make the abrams work then it should have horrible performance on the likes of the WTDP. They don’t though, they actually perform above average for US/Ger/USSR. 2A7 takes top spot because it’s a 2A7 but the next in-line is the SEPV2 followed by the SEP.
High skill players prefer the abrams over russian tanks because the russian tanks have too many downsides to get the armour they have which are a hard cap. They don’t really have anything else going for them at that tier aside from armour.
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High skill players still prefer Russian tanks/Leopards-Strv’s over Abrams cause they can perform similiar if not better while putting much less effort into those tanks.
Your argument is completely wrong in that regard.
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High skill players still prefer Russian tanks
Nope. Russia was barely picked in the latest ground only tournament despite having the highest BR vehicles of any of the line-ups. These teams were comprised of some of the top players in the game. Better fact check yourself.
The fully spall lined leopards probably would have been picked over them if they were allowed but nobody is denying that the fully spall lined leos are top dog at the moment.
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Im sorry is this game based on tournament or Average gameplay?
Special occasions doesnt change the overall outcome, in average game Russian tanks require significant less skill level while Abrams demands much more, thats why Highly Skilled players tends to play with T-Series or Leo2A7V/Strv122 series because they dont see Abrams that is something worth for high skill level/effort while they can do same or even better in those vehicles i mentioned.
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Im sorry is this game based on tournament or Average gameplay?
You were literally just trying to say that high skill players prefer russian tanks over the abrams. These are among the highest skill players in the game in a competitive setting where they want to win at all costs and they chose many other tanks over the russian vehicles.
You are simply wrong and coping.
Special occasions doesnt change the overall outcome, in average game Russian tanks require significant less skill level while Abrams demands much more, thats why Highly Skilled players tends to play with T-Series or Leo2A7V/Strv122 series because they dont see Abrams that is something worth for high skill level/effort while they can do same or even better in those vehicles i mentioned.
Do you have any evidence to prove your claim that high skill players prefer russian vehicles when playing in normal matches? Because everything you just wrote here is complete conjecture.
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With the charts and your argument that high skill players picking it reenforce my point. The round require you still to aim for small weak points that the avg player struggle with. The T80 and v7 are more forgiving when facing US do to only needing to aim below the turret and you will disabled or kill the tank. While in return a player with an avg skill will struggle to hit your weak points being they are small.
With the charts and your argument that high skill players picking it reenforce my point. The round require you still to aim for small weak points that the avg player struggle with.
What on earth are you talking about? The M1s have the second best shell in the game aside from L/55 DM53 (excluding 292 as a one-off).
The T80 and v7 are more forgiving when facing US do to only needing to aim below the turret and you will disabled or kill the tank.
When facing the T-80 all you need to do is aim at the breech area/drivers port/LFP/roadwheels and the tank is almost always a OHK. The only real advantage the T-80s have over the competition from german and US tanks is their armour so it needs to be able to save them from poorly placed shots or there would never be any reason to ever take them out aside from just liking them or only having them.
What do you want them to have paper armour and the competition they face to have the same armour as them? There would be no reason to use them in that case. It would be the same situation right now where you have the fully spall lined leos that just do what most other western MBTs do at the same BR but way better and that isn’t fun for anyone aside from the people using the leos.
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Do you have comprehending issues or playing dumb?
I clearly stated that on average gameplay which is playing normal game (not tournament) Highly skilled players prefers to play with T-series and Leopard2A7V/Strv122 tanks.
And I clearly stated that this is complete conjecture from you and asked you to provide evidence of your claim, which you have not done.
Do you need special effort to be acting like this or is this your natural acting?
No you need to provide evidence to substantiate your spurious claims, which I know you’re not going to do because you don’t have any evidence for what you’re trying to claim and are just making it up because it suits your narrative.
Do i need to remind you that USA teams are basically crushed at top tier due to not having enough skilled players on their side? Not having those players on your team while having Click-Bait players and fighting against GER+SWE+RU combo resulted those outcomes.
You’re starting to lean into win rate here which has been highlighted before is subject to a vast array of variables and is a poor indicator of how individual vehicles are performing relative to other individual vehicles.
The data we have available to us shows the M1s performing pretty well amongst the main three nations
It seriously takes special effort to act so blind what is going on in this game but considering how anti-US person you are im not even surprised tbh.
And here we go again with the “you just hate the US” spiel. How about you actually provide some evidence for your conjecture instead of indulging in your victim complex?
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Same goes for you, i havent seen a single evidence from you that shows on regular game Highly skilled players prefers to play with Abrams.
How ironic is that you dont even bother to prove your claims while expecting to opposite from other people, suits you.
Your data shows M1’s are the worst performing top tier tanks amongs others, even T80UK which is a Squadron vehicle performs better than Tech Tree Abrams variants.
Thanks for proving how clueless and coping person you are.
Thanks to chart you provided i dont need to prove anything.
Your graph shows even tech tree Abrams performs worse than Squadron T80UK and premium T80UE, i highly suggesT you should learn how to read those charts and stop acting like lifeless person who has nothing but pure hate for US but even then i will probably not gonna take your words seriously.
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Man, those ADATS stats are brutal.
I’m curious to see what the Israeli Chaparral looks like lol.
Same goes for you, i havent seen a single evidence from you that shows on regular game Highly skilled players prefers to play with Abrams.
You mean aside from the fact the the highest skill players in the game in a competitive setting where they want every possible edge over their opponent to win chose to select the abrams over the russian tanks available to them despite the russian line-up having more higher BR vehicles than the US line available to them?
Because that happened and the footage of the tournament from a couple months ago is still there for all to view. Meanwhile you have nothing but your feelings and conjecture with nothing to substantiate it as you still have not provided anything because you do not have anything.
How ironic is that you dont even bother to prove your claims while expecting to opposite from other people, suits you.
You choosing to ignore the evidence does not mean it does not exist. This is sovcit behaviour.
Your data shows M1’s are the worst performing top tier tanks amongs others, even T80UK which is a Squadron vehicle performs better than Tech Tree Abrams variants.
Thanks for proving how clueless and coping person you are.
Your inability to read a basic spreadsheet is most alarming. But once again you’re proving my point that the only thing you’re trying to cite is winrate to say a tank is bad or not despite it being pointed out by many people how many different factors go into establishing win rate that are not dependant on the individual vehicles.
By your same logic of using nothing but winrate to say the vehicles are bad apparently near all of the german vehicles are the worst in the game and japan/france/italy have consistently the best vehicles in the game. This is peak delusion.
Thanks to chart you provided i dont need to prove anything.
Your graph shows even tech tree Abrams performs worse than Squadron T80UK and premium T80UE, i highly suggesT you should learn how to read those charts and stop acting like lifeless person who has nothing but pure hate for US but even then i will probably not gonna take your words seriously.
See above.
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The ADATS really excels in doing multiple things poorly. At least it finally got its SP changed to SPAA costs, albeit as a SPAA most things outrange you.
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Lol. Summarized nicely. I only have the UK one and just couldn’t figure out how to do well in it.
Missile just stops pulling beyond like 6-8km against air targets, and against ground targets, man it’s hard to take down Composite / ERA covered things without wasting most your load. Idk why but the missiles seem to ‘wobble’ in game in a way they don’t in test drive. It’s really odd. Makes hitting weakspots rough. I have not redeemed my LOSAT coupon yet for the same reason.
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