I think it should be at 4.7, you need to balance against full downtiers.
3.7 tanks are capable of penetrating it. Tank destroyers at that rank even more so.
It’s the tanker, not the tank.
Remember, this is still a new vehicle, so some people don’t know how to counter/where to shoot it yet.
You need to read my comment again.
Look I’m not trying to be funny but nobody is going 22 - 0 in GRB in a bad tank.
I mean no offense but anyone electing to put this thing at 4.7 must be joking.
Do yourself a favor and compare the TOG to the T14 Assault Tank at 4.7. The TOG has better armor all-around, a gun with much better penetration, more crew, in trade for the 75mm stabilizer, APHE and your forward mobility.
The TOG 2 as it currently is modeled is a LOT closer to the Tiger at 5.7 (minus the APHE and mobility) than it is to a 4.7 heavy.
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I have driven now some rounds with it and its fine at 5.3
German said: Hey man why u made T-34 isn´t balance now.
Soviet said: Hey man so why u made Tiger isn´t balance now.
German said: Hey why u made IS-2 isn´t balance now.
And so on…
It’s a vicious circle.
It’s hard to say if there was ever a balance on the WWII battlefield.
I didn´t say that it is way to balance ,but they could at least stick to it a little bit.
It seems to me that in the beginning (2012 when i started playing) of the game they tried to comply historical facts about tank vs tank battles. Now I don’t know at what point it all collapsed and they started crossing one over the other.
This is example how it goes now I think:
We start two tank projects approx. at the same time. One will be successful and other one will not.
So the successful tank will pay “tax” for it fulfills the purpose for which it was made so get him higher BR and after that we will negate its advantages and it will be average tank and nobody will complain(etc.:Ahhh,it is impossible to frontal penetrate…but,hey man! ,thats why they made this tank in that time).
And what about the other one? Yeah get him lower BR and from awful tank we made average tank and we also create some advantages which didn´t have before and nobody will not complain.
TOGII: At least we’ll make a pointless trench tank (which looks like tank from WWI) for WW2 battlefield into an average tank.That tank have to pay “tax” for being unsuccessful for the time period(big,slow,too heavy and so on). There are tanks which pay this “tax”.
So if successful tank is broadcasting on BR 5.7 also that unsuccessful will same BR and after that you have to feel the difference between the results of the projects.
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it’s turret traverse and gun are way to much for 5.3, yeas it’s slow and heavy but it’s very difficult to find the right spot to pen it. and the crew and components are so spaced out you do barley any damage even with aphe. move it up to 6.3
4.7.
Extremely slow- worse than Maus!
Punchy gun, but not significantly better than 4.7 17 pounder, 5.0 SA-50, or 5.3 SA-45
Mediocre armor- hull is strong when angled, but 127mm turret is easily penetrated by even KwK 40.
If it was given 114mm cemented armour atop 12mm steel as produced and max speed was 24km/h (rolling downhill lol) then I could absolutely see it being 5.0.
Otherwise, the TOG falls far short performance-wise of other 5.3 and 5.0 heavies. The only reason it can have good performance in battle is players haven’t learned how to kill it yet and keep shooting the hull.
Don’t forget that the US has the M10 at 3.3 and the Soviets have the myriad of SU-57s as well as the SU-85, KV-2, SU-122, and SU-152, all of which have very little difficulty penetrating the turret of a TOG at range.
After playing the TOG II for some rounds i can confirm, it’s awesome, the gun is good, reload is nice, AP round DOES spall (something 76mm and 77mm tend to forget half the time).
I could even argue it should be 5.7 or 6.0 (max).
Also im comparing it to the Challenger and Comet I (awful tank)
Bri’ish Maus innit?
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Whats your stats in it?
I just started grinding through GB tree and TOG so far seems like a really solid vehicle for 5.3. Yeah it’s slow but it has amazing gun handling, reload and shell for it’s BR, dunno why people in the poll want it at 4.7.
The T14 is in a bad spot too. The 75mm gun is pretty weak, even at 4.7. The armor is its only saving grace, but its not even that good against a lot of tanks that are at 4.7.
Also the TOG II’s armor, speed, and post-pen damage is a lot weaker than the Tiger.