Lol yeah
Maybe it’s just my luck or my play style, but I honestly don’t see too many in any given game. At least at one time.
Definitely
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Same
The Tiger in 6.7 games is one of the best 5.7 mediums you can bring. I truly don’t understand the complaint. Oh no, you can’t rely on your armor in a full upteir…
No, thats not a fault of the game. Its a fault of the expectations that heavies should be universally near-invulnerable. A skilled player can kill almost any heavy tank even when fully upteired by just shooting weak points. That those weak points exist allows skill to matter. this is a GOOD THING. Trying to say a tank should be without weak points against vehicles of its own teir is absurd.
M109 struggle at any range beyond 400m. They struggle in any map with walls or chainlink fences. They struggle in any may where depression comes into play heavily. They have significant weaknesses. That large caliber rounds kill tanks isn’t new to this game. The KV2 has been doing it since beta. Also, you kill them more effectively than they kill you. They have just enough armor to fuse rounds and none more, with no difficult angles or hard points.
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Maybe the spam wave has passed.I’ll jump back on to 6BR and see if its any better.It was may favourite BR at one point.
I agree with that in any WW2 scenario but not when facing Cold war tanks with 300mm of pen.Its pretty obvious the issues facing the Tiger then.Its obsolete ,that is what players feel cheated.I do get that but its not just the Tiger its any WW2 heavy.
Its one of the big jumps in Warthunder 6 -7 BR.It’s not an easy transition and some flatly refuse to be part of it.Im on the fence currently. Uptier at 5.3-5.7 never bothered me before the artillery spam.Its true what you say about the M109 ,I just think at one point every nation had them and every player used them.They flooded the game and changed it.
I’ll get back on and give the Tiger another Wizz ,6BR was a lot of fun.
Idk. I don’t really remember there being a spam… But what I’ve said doesn’t mean that you don’t see them anymore. I am just saying that I only see a few per game. Maybe 5 total? And even when I do it’s not me facing them generally. I just see them in the kill feed. The last one I remember killing was a double kill using the T34 heavy on two British 109’s. Overpenned them both and ammo racked them :)
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The cold war tanks with 300 pen have universally horrific postpen. They will generally take 2-3 shots to kill you while you universally nuke them with one hit.
The 5.7 to 7.3 jump is big, i’ll give you that, but germany is the best suited nation to deal with that jump. The combination of high pen APHE with good reload puts you in a great place to deal with 7.x IFVs and lights while also being effective vs T34s or other heavy tanks. For the germany, the jump is more playstyle rather than capabilities, as this thread implies. Pressing W into every situation is no longer possible. You are switched into the role of a M-10esk tank destroyer with huge advantages but glaring weaknesses. The jump is hard for new players who rage against the expiration of their easy playstyle, but its a jump every other nation has faced before this BR and every other nation experiences more often in the br climb.
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So you are the tiger player i always face who just point their hull dead on. Thanks for making it easier to destroy you.
Yes, it is generally required to know where the enemy is in order to defend against them. That is true for all tanks and all strategies.
Only people i am going to mock are those who refuse to angle their tiger’s hull then complain they cant bounce shots.
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True but the Tiger should not be facing such tanks in reality ,It was never made to.
The armour is based on reality the game play is not hence the OP has an issue and is baffled by it.See the problem.
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Nor should any GB or JP or US or FR or SW or China face any RU tank during WWII (or each other):
They never faced one another
They were not designed to face one another.
Even GB/US v IT/DE were not all designed to specifically fight one another (we have Infantry tanks).
No battle in reality works like in WT so vehicles need to be balanced in this context.
People complaining German vehicles like the Tiger suffer in any way are being very dishonest.
Year does not and never has mattered.
Everyone understands the “complaints”, but they are extremely weak arguments with a good portion of bias.
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I don’t see any reason why the Tiger I couldn’t be lowered to 5.0 or 4.7.
The Arl has better armor (thicker and angled as well). Better traverse. Alot more pen (248mm vs 165mm). The french solid shell generates a big enough spall cone to take out an enemy vehicle.
The Tiger is a bit faster and has better reload. Do few secs reload even matter with this point’n’click gun? 250mm pen rip through everything at this BR bracket. This doesn’t justify the BR difference. The core values of heavy tanks are armor efficiency and gun power. The Arl is clearly the better heavy tank (no wounder, produced in the 50ties). So Tigers should be of much lower BR than this 248mm pen machine with its 120mm angled ufp.
And thats just one example how inflated high pen tanks are at these low BRs, which render Tiger armor absolutly pointless. Angling or not, you’re toast. There are countless more.
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The Tiger is already a really strong tank. If you can’t play it just get better. The ARL could be moved to 5.7.
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Does it fix all the other problematic tanks? Countless ones? For me its an indicator that Tigers are over-BRed. They need a -1 BR reduction to make their armor work. Super pen, advanced armor, others with super speeds…Tiger shouldn’t play vs these things .
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THEY ARE ALREADY STRONG TANKS. Do you even read what I’m writing?
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How can a tank be strong with 100mm armor, when quite common enemy tanks have 530mm pen, 400mm pen, 250mm pen, 180mm pen… Mostly even range independent (heat fs)…then the 155mm cold war howitzers which will OSK every Tiger.
Sorry Tiger BR needs to be scaled back, away from this high pen nonsense and super ludicrous speed cars.
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Angling against 400mm pen? This discussion is over.
It shouldn’t have started in the first place…
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How did the Tiger get such a strong KDR with 400mm of pen? Spoiler: most vehicles don’t have it and the M-51 is very easy to kill.
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These charts are no official figures. No one takes them serious exept you obviously. Looks colorful, though.
I for one want to play heavy tanks vs. opponent vehicles which don’t sport double to five times the penetration power.
Yeah they always type ‘angling’ to lure new players to play this tank. Then they angle and get farmed anyways. They probably do it to make sure there are always enough targets to farm. This 1942 box tank with its 100mm armor is just such a sorry vehicle… Avoid to play it. Thats my advice.