That’s more of the fault of the game mode itself.
Yes: MiG-27, F-111, Su-24, F-84F*, Su-25, Su-39, AMX, A-10, Tornado IDS, so on.
Hell No: F-15E, Su-34, AV-8(B, A/C aren’tas bad), Harrier(See AV-8), Yak-141 (It might be a fighter I can’t remember)
Basically:
Fighter Airframe, Striker Weapons, Yes
Striker Airframe, Striker Weapons, Yes
Striker Airframe, Fighter Weapons, No
Fighter Airframe, Fighter Weapons, No
Fighter weapons essentially means:
Does it get the same weapons as its fighter counterpart + an air to ground load?
Tornado IDS: Fighter weapons include AIM-9Ls, 2
F-15E: Fighter weapons include AIM-120B (4-8), AIM-9M (2-4)
Giving what is pretty much just a fighter with a somewhat heavier airframe an airspawn just because it has strike aircraft status is not a good idea
actually, F-15E does not get the same weapons for a2a as F-15C so it should be on airspawn list. and it is a striker airframe
These are called strike fighters rather than strike airplanes. However, because they’re strike based, I think gaijin should still give them some advantages for striking ground targets.
Then it is off-topic!
talking about SEAD wasn’t needed at all. right?
you stated this topic as 'we need to add air spawn to Rank 6+ strike aircraft because they can’t bomb the base.
Yes. It might be helpful for A-10 or Tornado to kill some fancy ground targets or base before mindless MiG-23ML does.
But you ruined your own theory by bringing F-15E as an example of a ‘brick attacker which needs to be buffed with Air Spawn’
and every attempt which you try to defend makes everything worse everytime.
My bad, I forgot that the F-15E got AIM-120Bs over AIM-120As, proving my point to be fair, as they are the exact same but the B makes it a bit better.
By the way, how many people actually bomb with the F-15E in ARB and how many use AIM-120s? Do you see what the issue would be with giving them a spawn closer to the battlefield would be with those?
After reading this I realized the answer to my point, the F-84F treatment. If you are carrying bombs or air to ground ordinance Primarily you get airspawn, but if you are just using pure A2A it’s off the table
Which btw, the F-84F doesn’t get any explicit A2A ordinance other than guns, you used to get airspawn carrying rockets but had to take off with bombs, which on some maps was physically impossible because the plane is heavy and has a poor engine, so you’d just be trying to pull up for 3 minutes after running out of airfield and finally just stall out and die
you also have to consider that when in full strike loadout it carries half the AMRAAM of an F-15C.
they can always limit airspawn to strike loadouts
Sure, on one condition. No air to air weapons.
The last thing we need to do is return to the old Harrier/A-5C days, where just a few minutes into the game you’d have hordes of planes with high G missiles just sitting above you, waiting for your guard to drop.
So, just limit airspawns based on that. If you want to airspawn a Harrier, Tornado, F-15E, whatever, you can. Just with no air to air missiles in your loadout. You’ll be stuck with bombs and whatever internal gun you have until you land and rearm.
There’s your answer
There could very easily be a system that determines the “weight” of your weapons, like if you have 50% or higher of your loadout for ground, it weighs your aircraft into the strike section, but you cant just cheese it by swapping an AMRAAM out for a bomb
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Just use the GRB system
Fair point. I agree about loadout specific airspawn.
Carry radar missiles = no air spawn
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What GRB system are you referring to, SP?
Something like that, but instead for airspawn.
I don’t think points is possible tho, just make it radar missiles = no airspawn.
Points could definitely be possible for an ARB EC mode, but yeah Radar AAM =/= Airspawn is a gooder idea
Me when i spawn my Su-7 or Etendard and have an infinite altitude advantage on everyone effortlessly
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The issue was that people abused the air spawns in planes like the A-4 (and that SAAB thing that still dose it) to farm the fighters that where taking off, players complained and Gaijin in their typical fashion took the easy road and simply removed ALL (8.7+) attacker air spawns rather than just the problematic ones.
There are plenty of lower rank attackers/ bombers that get abused the same way (FW-190F-8 & B7A2 for example). you can’t really remove air spawn unless carrying A2G weapons as people would just take some then dump them as soon as they spawned. you could maybe force a runway spawn if carrying A2A weapons but some of the problem aircraft are fine with just guns and others would be defenseless (SU-39/ A-10 Late etc). It would probably be ok to restore air spawns to subsonic attackers at 10.0+ though.
Gaijin did say they would give attackers a forward spawn (I think it was in their split BR for air and ground announcement or around that time), I dunno if that means the forward air base or air spawn, but that was a year ago and it’s not happened yet.
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Your out of your mind thinking F15E needs a air spawn most F15E do BVR giving them a air spawn would be F14 spam all over again
TIGER_TANK_1 is such a chad. No one has ever agreed with him, and everyone bullies him on his stats, but he just keeps coming back asking for changes that personally benefit him and his playstyle. This is his game, we just get to play it.
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But i do agree with you on everything else i was playing my su25t and su25sm recently and struggled to get targets in a lot of my matches