Then we should also remove all of the vehicles that your country never completed, either. Same for all countries. I said this many times, but if it is incomplete->it gets added. If it was finished->it gets added. If it were purely fictional, no evidence of its existence at all goodbye.
Best Example: Flakpanzer 341 and 10.5 Tiger II.
I’ve done some looking over the comments, it seems a lot of people think that this Ho-Ri should be lower due to the weaker armor despite the better-performing gun. I personally think 6.7 is perfect, but I’m interested to see what you guys think.
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Neither, thats a Jack. What you misstook for the launch tubes is just where the lever gets put in.
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Don’t look at the boats…
I agree it can’t be too high because of the pretty mid armor. But 5.7 is still too low imo. That gun would be pretty monstrous at 5.7 because of the very fast reload compared to other similarly armed vehicles. It’s also still quite mobile and isn’t a complete glass cannon either. I can’t see it going above 6.7 since the penetration will start to feel too lack luster, but I think it would be more suited to around 6.0-6.3, around the same BR as the SU-100P or Jagdpanther.
For a domestic SPG closer in BR to the Chi-Ri, we could always get the Ka-To, which could probably go around 5.3, which is where I think the Chi-Ri should be as well.
I’d need to see it in action to know more, but the Jagdpanther, ISU-122, and CA Lorraine are close enough analogues at least on paper, and they’re all around 6.0. So I’m suggesting that.
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Ships have different rules since a vessel being Laid Down is effectively equivalent to a completed prototype phase for a tank or a plane
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thanks I was informed. Its kind of interesting that Japan did have smoke dispensers but they never seemed to use them a lot. Yes I know tanks where not prioritized in military industrial policy but smoke dischargers where kind of important. I always though the jack was ither a very anemic smoke launcher or a flair system. Yes thy did have them too bad it was sort of a after thought and never placed in the plans.
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I think (I may be wrong) but final drawings for naval vessels is the rule now. Naval architecture is very complex so everything in the final drawing has to be 99% correct. There are times where civil ships with too many bolts (post final drawings change or the ship yard changing stuff) have doomed them to poor performance or worse.
Yeah, vessel design leans much further into being architecture than engineering as opposed to other kinds of vehicle since. That’s a whole building right there.
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Please let this one be added… PLEASE!!! +1
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I think that the guy who made that famous Ka-To 3D model also did these. They look like representations of the early iterations of the Ho-Ri. If Gaijin wanted, they could do a premium of the more “Elefant” looking one, the Ho-Ri I. But it would be more paper, albeit more realistic than the Ho-Ri Prototype in WT right now.
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Well, I don’t think the difference between the BRs of 5.7 an 6.0 will matter too much for the Ho-Ri with its tray loader and all, but I am still of the belief that the size in combination with the armor will be its own undoing, especially knowing that the hull cannot be angled.
But yes, I would love to see the Ka-To and Chi-Ri at 5.3, although at the same time I admittedly do wish to give Ho-Ri a largely end-WW2 lineup rather than immediate postwar one for thematics if nothing else, which does influence my thoughts on it a bit.
I’m all for keeping eras divided where possible, but we can only force line-ups to such a degree.
That being said, I could see late-WW2 (and post-war for non-axis nations) at least getting some more breathing room if the early/mid CW era got a whole extra BR range added for decompression. The current rate of technological progression is very abrupt. Some nations jump to APFS-DS and 2-plane stabilizers very quickly, and many intermediate vehicle variants are absent because the current rate of progression has left no room for them. Ideally, spacing out these types of tech advancements would rebuild some immersion that game has lost with time, not to mention improving balance and equality across nations.
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I totally agree, although I feel this Ho-Ri in general is pretty flexible, and can preform fine at any BR from 5.3-6.3 without being overpowered. Nonetheless, I would absolutely like to see some more thorough padding of the trees, but not before the appropriate RP reductions necessary for such additions come in play.
Even then, I do still think that an era split is possible with enough forethought, but admittedly that’s a topic for another time.
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