The truth about US planes in Air RB

[Normandy_Corsair]

@The_Omen17

Among the community its widely stated that US teams are the worst in the game especially in Air RB. However, i think this is a gross simplification that leaves no room for nuance.

No it’s absolutely true. USA pilots are the nation that harbors the most low skill players simply down to the fact that USA air as a nation is seemingly about 10x (TEN times) more popular than the NEXT HIGHEST favored nation. As in, at any given point in the day, you can find TEN TIMES more USA aircraft in queue than say, russian or german. This is likely due to people’s preconceived idea of how good the USA air tree “should” be in comparison to other nations disregarding the fact this is a game and not exactly going to line up 1:1 with real life.

@The_Omen17

The meta heavily favors props that have a high climb rate. Yak3s, Spitfires, 109s etc. do exceedingly well in this regard. There’s only a few US planes that climb well such as P51H, Bearcats, P38s (I’ll get to the P38 here in a minute).

All of this is true.

@The_Omen17

The way Gaijin has Air RB set up naturally kneecaps the US line for the majority of its popular aircraft. P51C&D models, P47s etc. were never meant to climb to reach the enemy over short 30 mile distances. Planes used in CAP would take off from bases in southern England and travel hundreds of miles on escort missions even after German lines were pushed back in France. So why are P47s and P51s forced to play an interceptors game? These planes need to have an air spawn.

Ok so let me get this straight. The USA planes are downright just better than other planes usually when the USA plane can get an energy advantage of any sort, and they damn near become uncounterable once they ARE in this position. You want to basically teleport them to this advantageous position right at the start of the battle, removing one of the US’s ONLY downsides (that being, mid climb rate) and basically make them the most handheld planes this game has ever seen.

You could get your airspawn change but you would also receive a 0.7-1.0 uptier or more depending on plane. You can’t get this without severe consequences in the other direction to balance it back out.

@The_Omen17

They’re inherently harder to play than any other nations main iconic planes in the game

Don’t get ahead of yourself. USA planes aren’t “hard to play” they just take some thought. For example the FW190 is significantly more difficult to play than damn near any USA single engine aircraft I can think of in the entire game. BnZ is harder to pull off than simple turnfighting but it doesn’t mean you’re doing some high level, high IQ plays by doing it.

@The_Omen17

I’m sure many of you are thinking that all is needed is an just an adequate amount of altitude and high speed, not necessarily to be above someone to which i agree, BUT only if its one or two planes. If the whole enemy team is still above you after 5 minutes of climbing, you’re basically screwed and forced to either dive to your death or run to your airfield.

If your USA team actually side climbed, there would be no issue. The problem lies within USA teams being braindead due to it being the most placed nation combined with the fact you do need some resemblance of a brain to play USA aircraft.

@The_Omen17

So its not that US teams are bad

It’s still VERY MUCH that USA teams are bad. I agree that being a mid climber makes your aircraft questionable in the meta, but literaly all that has to be done is USA teams need to learn what side climbing is and do it in entire groups and not just 1-2 smart players doing it in isolation.

@The_Omen17

I also don’t think it should be a high air spawn but perhaps at about 2k feet (like A model FW190s)

Most 190s are not airspawning.

@The_Omen17

to enable them to get the altitude advantage the US planes are best at.

Also, again to emphasize the point, this would make you unstoppable and unbeatable rather than just “nudge” you into competitiveness.

@The_Omen17

and I feel like its because German mains cry when when an Allied plane finally gets above them.

This is your ape monkey brain crying out in frustration because you are having a bad time. Gaijin doesn’t give a damn about anybodys complaints. They certainly aren’t “balancing the game” around “german mains”. Please stick to reasonable conversations and don’t say this nonsense so you don’t get written off.

[The_Omen17]

average yak3 player response lmao. US teams seem bad only because no one wants to put up with playing the plane right and they just want to get to top tier.

[Normandy_Corsair]

@The_Omen17

average yak3 player response lmao.

Quit crying. It’s embarassing. I play almost every nation in the game and the USA was my first nation I grinded.

@The_Omen17

US teams seem bad only because

Because they are, for the reasons I explained. It’s the nation 90% of new players choose.

[The_Omen17]

the assumptions you make lead me to believe you could have evidence in front of your face and still not take it.

[Normandy_Corsair]

You aren’t showing anybody on this forum that you have any reason to believe this. I went into detail explaining why I think the way I do. You do the same.

Further:

@The_Omen17

the assumptions you make lead me to believe you could have evidence in front of your face and still not take it.

You way you speak makes me think you don’t have evidence.

[The_Omen17]

Rage bait use to be believable

[Normandy_Corsair]

I think you’re the one ragebaiting considering I gave you about 2-3 paragraphs of explanation and your responses so far have been “haha yak3 player”

You’re not tackling anything I said or trying to have a conversation, you’re just here to whine about your own poor (mind I add, VERY poor performance) in USA planes.

[The_Omen17]

No I’m not acknowledging your arguments because you’ve failed to realize the point. The point is that US teams do better when more players are in planes that have higher climb rates such as P38s. They’re not OP in the slightest and they get an Air spawn. Why should a few 190s get an air spawn despite being interceptors, while a plane used to take off hundreds of miles away not?

[Zannafrancy]

I mean it’s not like your explanations was particularly insightful either. But it’s generally true that american air RB teams are worse, but that’s not because us newbies are worse but because us props simply arent that meta and most countries with the exception of Israel and France (Sweden would be here but it’s carried by Finland) have much easier learning curve. And no pointing out outliers like the p63 or p39 isn’t a great argument. The naval line is probably the strongest line at prop br whee most aircraft are atleast usable with some being quite strong

[Normandy_Corsair]

@The_Omen17

No I’m not acknowledging your arguments because you’ve failed to realize the point.

You haven’t shown anybody in the room that.

@The_Omen17

The point is that US teams do better when more players are in planes that have higher climb rates such as P38s.

It’s almost like it’s easier for bad players to play easier vehicles that don’t take nearly as much skill or tactic.

@The_Omen17

They’re not OP in the slightest

But they are far easier planes.

@The_Omen17

Why should a few 190s get an air spawn despite being interceptors

Don’t see the correlation here, airspawns aren’t given away due to role in war thunder anymore. The 190s that do get airspawns get them because they would be abysmal without them.

[Normandy_Corsair]

@Zannafrancy

But it’s generally true that american air RB teams are worse, but that’s not because us newbies are worse but because us props simply arent that meta

You can take literally any vehicle that is shared amongst the USA and other nations and 9 times out of 10 the USA version has abysmal stats compared to the other nations. Further, the problem of USA teams being bad extends from 1.0 RIGHT UP to 14.3.

[Normandy_Corsair]

@Zannafrancy

You’ve been repeating the same crap for a whole now.

Such as?

@Zannafrancy

Again not very insightful and they way you Express yourself is also insufferable

I don’t think very much of you either.

[Zannafrancy]

Because it has more player s.

[Normandy_Corsair]

Almost like that’s what I said, are you feeling ok, need to lay down?

[Columbia6448]

I think we’re forgetting how busted p-47s were when they did have an air spawn

[The_Omen17]

calls it “not much tactic” when its literally doing the same thing everyone else is lmao. You’re delusional in that regard. The P38s arent that easy. Sure they climb and are fast, but they roll like shit and have limited ammo.

@Normandy_Corsair

Don’t see the correlation here, airspawns aren’t given away due to role in war thunder anymore. The 190s that do get airspawns get them because they would be abysmal without them.

again, you’re not seeing the point. The p51s and p47s perform poorly too and yet they don’t get an air spawn. From take off you can see the other teams airfield, of course the team with Germany or Russia is going to win because those are Meta. Metas in games are bad because they force a certain style of gameplay which makes using anything else a disadvantage. That’s why the majority for 4.3-5.3 games are full of Yak3s, Spitfires and 109s. If you still cant see the point there’s no reason for you to even respond.

[Normandy_Corsair]

@The_Omen17

calls it “not much tactic” when its literally doing the same thing everyone else is lmao.

I didn’t say otherwise. I, in fact, agreed with you that USA planes on average take more skill than the planes you mentioned. You’re crying over nothing. I literally agree.

@The_Omen17

The P38s arent that easy.

They are far easier than the non-airspawning USA planes to play, as their advantages are mostly the same except they also have a fantastic climb rate+airspawn so they can almost always be in the “nigh invulnerable” state relative to the opposition if played correctly.

@The_Omen17

but they roll like shit

1. They don’t roll poorly at all.

@The_Omen17

and have limited ammo.

No, they don’t. Especially considering they have EXTREMELY accurate guns with ALL of the guns being centerline mounted and having great ballistics. If you fail to secure kills with both that and the generous ammo count, your aim is bad.

@The_Omen17

again, you’re not seeing the point. The p51s and p47s perform poorly too

The P-51 and P-47s that don’t airspawn currently perform better than the 190s that DO airspawn, relative to their given BRs.

@The_Omen17

take off you can see the other teams airfield, of course the team with Germany or Russia is going to win because those are Meta. Metas in games are bad because they force a certain style of gameplay which makes using anything else a disadvantage. That’s why the majority for 4.3-5.3 games are full of Yak3s, Spitfires and 109s. If you still cant see the point there’s no reason for you to even respond.

I have literally agreed with you about 5 times in this thread that the other nations DO have more meta aircraft and they ARE easier to play. We differ in WHAT CAN BE DONE to help USA planes. You can’t see this because you’re too angry.

[Pangolin_Fan]

@Normandy_Corsair

It’s still VERY MUCH that USA teams are bad

Nope, its the planes.

[Normandy_Corsair]

@Pangolin_Fan

Nope, its the planes.

you have a long history of complaining about very strong USA vehicles being bad, due to your own poor performance in them.

[The_Omen17]

@Normandy_Corsair

I have literally agreed with you about 5 times in this thread that the other nations DO have more meta aircraft and they ARE easier to play. We differ in WHAT CAN BE DONE to help USA planes. You can’t see this because you’re too angry.

so what is it you would do? The easiest fix would be giving them a slight air spawn because that’s how they would end up in the AO anyway. They wouldn’t climb from 30 miles out. The games just a fucked design and needs complete re-evaluation from the ground up. They need to go back to historical battles because this is a WW2-Modern vehicle combat game, not esports.

also. you clearly havent flown the P38s in a while. The roll rate is on par with a mosquito, or Bf-110