The truth about US planes in Air RB

Among the community its widely stated that US teams are the worst in the game especially in Air RB. However, i think this is a gross simplification that leaves no room for nuance.

The meta heavily favors props that have a high climb rate. Yak3s, Spitfires, 109s etc. do exceedingly well in this regard. There’s only a few US planes that climb well such as P51H, Bearcats, P38s (I’ll get to the P38 here in a minute).

The way Gaijin has Air RB set up naturally kneecaps the US line for the majority of its popular aircraft. P51C&D models, P47s etc. were never meant to climb to reach the enemy over short 30 mile distances. Planes used in CAP would take off from bases in southern England and travel hundreds of miles on escort missions even after German lines were pushed back in France. So why are P47s and P51s forced to play an interceptors game? These planes need to have an air spawn. They’re inherently harder to play than any other nations main iconic planes in the game such as yaks, spits, A6Ms and 109s. They require a player to spend 5 minutes of climbing, to then find most of the team is dead and there’s still enemy planes above them.

I’m sure many of you are thinking that all is needed is an just an adequate amount of altitude and high speed, not necessarily to be above someone to which i agree, BUT only if its one or two planes. If the whole enemy team is still above you after 5 minutes of climbing, you’re basically screwed and forced to either dive to your death or run to your airfield.

A great example of US teams doing well is when there are more P38s on the team. Due to them getting an air spawn, they can get above the enemy and actually be useful. when its planes other than P38s, like P47s, they’ll often go ground pound which everyone seems to have issue with but if you had to put up with what’s mentioned above, I would do the same. At least they’ll have a higher chance of getting some RP before they are shot down.

So its not that US teams are bad, Its that US planes are often stuck fighting a losing fight because their role isn’t taken into account when making the game. I also don’t think it should be a high air spawn but perhaps at about 2k feet (like A model FW190s) to enable them to get the altitude advantage the US planes are best at. Which is superb performance at high altitude. its been 11 years of US team getting shit on because of this, and I feel like its because German mains cry when when an Allied plane finally gets above them.

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What about carrier planes? I think those should perform pretty well

most of the carrier planes i left out because they do, at least hellcats can turn pretty decently, and corsairs have decent acceleration.

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No it’s absolutely true. USA pilots are the nation that harbors the most low skill players simply down to the fact that USA air as a nation is seemingly about 10x (TEN times) more popular than the NEXT HIGHEST favored nation. As in, at any given point in the day, you can find TEN TIMES more USA aircraft in queue than say, russian or german. This is likely due to people’s preconceived idea of how good the USA air tree “should” be in comparison to other nations disregarding the fact this is a game and not exactly going to line up 1:1 with real life.

All of this is true.

Ok so let me get this straight. The USA planes are downright just better than other planes usually when the USA plane can get an energy advantage of any sort, and they damn near become uncounterable once they ARE in this position. You want to basically teleport them to this advantageous position right at the start of the battle, removing one of the US’s ONLY downsides (that being, mid climb rate) and basically make them the most handheld planes this game has ever seen.

You could get your airspawn change but you would also receive a 0.7-1.0 uptier or more depending on plane. You can’t get this without severe consequences in the other direction to balance it back out.

Don’t get ahead of yourself. USA planes aren’t “hard to play” they just take some thought. For example the FW190 is significantly more difficult to play than damn near any USA single engine aircraft I can think of in the entire game. BnZ is harder to pull off than simple turnfighting but it doesn’t mean you’re doing some high level, high IQ plays by doing it.

If your USA team actually side climbed, there would be no issue. The problem lies within USA teams being braindead due to it being the most placed nation combined with the fact you do need some resemblance of a brain to play USA aircraft.

It’s still VERY MUCH that USA teams are bad. I agree that being a mid climber makes your aircraft questionable in the meta, but literaly all that has to be done is USA teams need to learn what side climbing is and do it in entire groups and not just 1-2 smart players doing it in isolation.

Most 190s are not airspawning.

Also, again to emphasize the point, this would make you unstoppable and unbeatable rather than just “nudge” you into competitiveness.

This is your ape monkey brain crying out in frustration because you are having a bad time. Gaijin doesn’t give a damn about anybodys complaints. They certainly aren’t “balancing the game” around “german mains”. Please stick to reasonable conversations and don’t say this nonsense so you don’t get written off.

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average yak3 player response lmao. US teams seem bad only because no one wants to put up with playing the plane right and they just want to get to top tier.

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Quit crying. It’s embarassing. I play almost every nation in the game and the USA was my first nation I grinded.

Because they are, for the reasons I explained. It’s the nation 90% of new players choose.

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the assumptions you make lead me to believe you could have evidence in front of your face and still not take it.

You aren’t showing anybody on this forum that you have any reason to believe this. I went into detail explaining why I think the way I do. You do the same.

Further:

You way you speak makes me think you don’t have evidence.

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Rage bait use to be believable

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I think you’re the one ragebaiting considering I gave you about 2-3 paragraphs of explanation and your responses so far have been “haha yak3 player”

You’re not tackling anything I said or trying to have a conversation, you’re just here to whine about your own poor (mind I add, VERY poor performance) in USA planes.

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No I’m not acknowledging your arguments because you’ve failed to realize the point. The point is that US teams do better when more players are in planes that have higher climb rates such as P38s. They’re not OP in the slightest and they get an Air spawn. Why should a few 190s get an air spawn despite being interceptors, while a plane used to take off hundreds of miles away not?

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I mean it’s not like your explanations was particularly insightful either. But it’s generally true that american air RB teams are worse, but that’s not because us newbies are worse but because us props simply arent that meta and most countries with the exception of Israel and France (Sweden would be here but it’s carried by Finland) have much easier learning curve. And no pointing out outliers like the p63 or p39 isn’t a great argument. The naval line is probably the strongest line at prop br whee most aircraft are atleast usable with some being quite strong

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You haven’t shown anybody in the room that.

It’s almost like it’s easier for bad players to play easier vehicles that don’t take nearly as much skill or tactic.

But they are far easier planes.

Don’t see the correlation here, airspawns aren’t given away due to role in war thunder anymore. The 190s that do get airspawns get them because they would be abysmal without them.

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You can take literally any vehicle that is shared amongst the USA and other nations and 9 times out of 10 the USA version has abysmal stats compared to the other nations. Further, the problem of USA teams being bad extends from 1.0 RIGHT UP to 14.3.

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Such as?

I don’t think very much of you either.

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Because it has more player s.

Almost like that’s what I said, are you feeling ok, need to lay down?

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