They easily outrun P-51Ds. The only U.S. planes that can outrun a decent portion of their competition is the P-51H-5, some specific Corsair models, and some specific P-47 models.
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Simply wrong
They definitely do since the last update at least near sea level
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I am not aware if anything has changed in the last patch but he is not referring to some recent change. He has always believed what he says.
Fw 190 D-9 has been outrunning everything except high energy Corsairs and Thundersbolts for as long as I’ve had it.
If we are talking in terms of sea level speed there is a nice chart for it. War Thunder Top Speeds at Sea Level - Google Spreadsheets
Do note that these tests use MEC to push the plane to its absolute top speed without regard for thermals so certain planes in actual play will not get close to these listed speeds without burning out their engine.
There is another set of very useful info charts made by MOBB that does display AEC top speeds (in IAS) at multiple different altitudes so you can compare. Air RB - Performance Guide - User guide & Main Page
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There is a bug affecting all planes with certain weapons, such as the m2_late which the p47 and p51s use, read this post for more detail.
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Yeah - 100% true. If you play certain aircraft to their strengths you need patience and experience. And your worst enemy is usually your team own which acts like headless chickens.
Seeing other posts in this thread blaming the poor skill & experience of US players i have to agree, but just to a certain point.
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From my pov the USSR & GER players at prop BRs in Air RB are equally unskilled - but USSR players benefit strongly from the ShVak buff (which gives them the upper hand in head-ons) and German players have usually a better climb rate (which generates a better positioning); that means that US rookies have to find out ways to counter both disadvantages.
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And they fail as the game allows progress without gaining applicable and useful skill - and the progress happens way too fast.
This is another part of the problem:
BRs set on plain player average and placing single post-war prototypes (Yak-3U), very late planes which never saw combat (P-51 H-5) or clear post WW2 prop trash like F2Gs at BR ranges which guarantees a hell of downtiers vs actual WW 2 aircraft.
I mean it is obvious that the OP struggles with aerial combat in general, but he might have never checked actual US Winrates at prop BRs:
…which shows clearly that the US teams are either way smarter than most people think (unlikely) or that they have to be carried by minor nation players (like UK or JP) in order to achieve WRs that high.
There’s lots of people that play bombers for US, which will certainly drag down win rates. It’s probably the most popular bomber nation…maybe it’s beat at certain BRs like 6.0 for Germany with JU288 spam.
US has plenty of amazing props. P51C, F4U-1A, F4U- 4B, F8F-1, P-63, P-38-L, F-82, P-51H are all incredible performers. P-47s can be great with discipline (side climbing) but the current neglected state of the game rewards low alt focused planes for people that just want to fly in, get a couple kills then die. IMO Spitfires are absolute trash but they are meta because they reward this style of play and farming noobs.
You can’t give blanket airspawn to US, because if you did, then those few players who are decent will just leverage that and wind up with 5+ kills every match in a P-51C. Maybe P-47 should get a 1 or 2k alt spawn.
You can run away in some, some you can’t due to BRs. P-47s will pretty much all efficiently outrun 90% of what you face to reset and get back into the fight, P-51D30 is dogshit and won’t, or at least the difference is so small you will spend the entire match running so you are effectively not in the match at all.
They perform well if they were flown by trained pilots which are able to benefit from the fact that gazillions of non-pilots dragged their BRs below their raw plane performance.
In other words:
Your performance assessment is based on too low BRs - and not the quality of the aircraft. And except the P-51 C & H the planes have all severe weaknesses.
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This is the wrong “excuse” - from my pov the main issue of the big 3 in general (and US in particular) is that 99% of their Air RB players are tankers without any clue about ACM and a severe lack of passion for aerial warfare.
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US has the main (dis)advantage of having fighters with massive A2G loadout options - the few guys (bomber slot is max 4) doesn’t matter. As the bomb payloads of USSR prop fighters are rather small there is no incentive to use them as base bombers. German aircraft will be used no matter how poor they perform - just because the have the most iconic tank ever existed with them.
I don’t want to be that guy, but even without studying you service record it is imho obvious that you sound like a blind man talking about colors.
There is nothing wrong with posting opinions, but:
- Opinions are for people being too lazy to look for facts whilst being not strong enough for real faith 😉
From my pov you have zero reliable in-game experience (=playing them really successful) with the mentioned aircraft - and it is more than obvious that you are a tanker.
Example:
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I flew the P-51 D-30 in the last days, a pain to spade but the plane is playable. 16 matches, 11 wins and 16:1 kills in Air RB are ok-ish - even as i don’t like the FM and refuse to adjust my Hotas for this plane it is obvious that you need a perfect mix of experience and aggressiveness to make it work.
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That the planes was nerfed by a bug was not helpful - but it is not an excuse for playing poor with it. I will finish 30 battles in total to have a credible final opinion on that - but i won’t fly them again as the P-47 D-28 offers similar power and reacts way better to my generic joystick profile.
I don’t even really play AirRb and have 4:1 k/d in P51C and 1.8:1 in P47D-22 (the only P47 I haven’t used primarily as CAS, the other P47s I use primarily as CAS so those KD in my record are pointless…pretty sure I’ve used 22 as CAS too a bit tbh). P51D30 is absolute garbage for it’s BR. It’s literally a D10 at 0.7 higher BR for an extra 40hp.
If a lot of US players are using bombers, bombers drag win rates down. A French P51 will have a better WR due to better players sure, but it’s also influenced by not as many French players being in bombers in the match to drag the WR down.
So why even posting? If you would have read the OP you might have noticed that this thread deals with Air RB.
So even if your assessments would be true for Ground RB - Air RB is another mode with a different setup…
Nonsense. Basically all nations utilize the 4 slot limit to the max. The exceptions are Italy (just 1 P 108 - ez prey) and Israel (just 1 B -17 available).
Nonsense part II. Air RB is now for weeks flooded with 4 Dutch (=French) SB-25s, every match. French pilots used before the Helldiver, PB4Y or the B-26.
Currently these 4 SB-25s meet 3-4 Swedish (Norwegian) Mosquitos with interceptor spawn…
The F6C is way less popular than the French premium Yak-3 - which was 2 or 3 times for free available (war bonds).
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The only “Amazing” props in that list of the P-51C and H, and the F4U-4B.
The rest are either mid, or in the case of the P-63, it’s only good cause it’s low tier.
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F8F-1 at 4.7???
What does low tier of the others make them not applicable?
P63s are higher BR than P51C…
P38L is great, it’s not as good as 51C or H, it’s about as good as 4B.
The odds of you losing in any of the planes listed being due to being severely outmatched instead of it being a result of misplay is extremely low. They are very capable.
People should be whining about absolute ridiculous trash like Yak3s being too overpowered rather than these planes being overtiered.
Legendary insult
If i write:
and you post this:
You might consider asking a friend regarding the difference between “playable” and “good”.
If i look at the title and the tags of this thread your statement:
explains your very “special” view on things, but i still don’t know why you feel the urgent need to share these views if you don’t play Air RB.
In any case: Welcome to my ignore list!
Edit: Flag attack😂
The F8F-1 is insanely overhyped, and the only noteworthy P-63 is the P-63A-5 at 3.3
F4U-1s are amazing, especially after they buffed elevators to historical levels.
Its only issue in sim is the lack of rear visibility which is a non-issue in RB.
P38s are great climbers and with flaps turn incredibly well. Their issue is a super recognizable silhouette and fragile damage model.
Bearcat is great. It keeps up at 6.0 in sim quite well, it’s 4.7 in RB.
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