No I’m not acknowledging your arguments because you’ve failed to realize the point. The point is that US teams do better when more players are in planes that have higher climb rates such as P38s. They’re not OP in the slightest and they get an Air spawn. Why should a few 190s get an air spawn despite being interceptors, while a plane used to take off hundreds of miles away not?
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I mean it’s not like your explanations was particularly insightful either. But it’s generally true that american air RB teams are worse, but that’s not because us newbies are worse but because us props simply arent that meta and most countries with the exception of Israel and France (Sweden would be here but it’s carried by Finland) have much easier learning curve. And no pointing out outliers like the p63 or p39 isn’t a great argument. The naval line is probably the strongest line at prop br whee most aircraft are atleast usable with some being quite strong
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You haven’t shown anybody in the room that.
It’s almost like it’s easier for bad players to play easier vehicles that don’t take nearly as much skill or tactic.
But they are far easier planes.
Don’t see the correlation here, airspawns aren’t given away due to role in war thunder anymore. The 190s that do get airspawns get them because they would be abysmal without them.
You can take literally any vehicle that is shared amongst the USA and other nations and 9 times out of 10 the USA version has abysmal stats compared to the other nations. Further, the problem of USA teams being bad extends from 1.0 RIGHT UP to 14.3.
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Such as?
I don’t think very much of you either.
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Because it has more player s.
Almost like that’s what I said, are you feeling ok, need to lay down?
I think we’re forgetting how busted p-47s were when they did have an air spawn
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calls it “not much tactic” when its literally doing the same thing everyone else is lmao. You’re delusional in that regard. The P38s arent that easy. Sure they climb and are fast, but they roll like shit and have limited ammo.
again, you’re not seeing the point. The p51s and p47s perform poorly too and yet they don’t get an air spawn. From take off you can see the other teams airfield, of course the team with Germany or Russia is going to win because those are Meta. Metas in games are bad because they force a certain style of gameplay which makes using anything else a disadvantage. That’s why the majority for 4.3-5.3 games are full of Yak3s, Spitfires and 109s. If you still cant see the point there’s no reason for you to even respond.
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I didn’t say otherwise. I, in fact, agreed with you that USA planes on average take more skill than the planes you mentioned. You’re crying over nothing. I literally agree.
They are far easier than the non-airspawning USA planes to play, as their advantages are mostly the same except they also have a fantastic climb rate+airspawn so they can almost always be in the “nigh invulnerable” state relative to the opposition if played correctly.
- They don’t roll poorly at all.
No, they don’t. Especially considering they have EXTREMELY accurate guns with ALL of the guns being centerline mounted and having great ballistics. If you fail to secure kills with both that and the generous ammo count, your aim is bad.
The P-51 and P-47s that don’t airspawn currently perform better than the 190s that DO airspawn, relative to their given BRs.
I have literally agreed with you about 5 times in this thread that the other nations DO have more meta aircraft and they ARE easier to play. We differ in WHAT CAN BE DONE to help USA planes. You can’t see this because you’re too angry.
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Nope, its the planes.
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you have a long history of complaining about very strong USA vehicles being bad, due to your own poor performance in them.
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so what is it you would do? The easiest fix would be giving them a slight air spawn because that’s how they would end up in the AO anyway. They wouldn’t climb from 30 miles out. The games just a fucked design and needs complete re-evaluation from the ground up. They need to go back to historical battles because this is a WW2-Modern vehicle combat game, not esports.
also. you clearly havent flown the P38s in a while. The roll rate is on par with a mosquito, or Bf-110
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Gamemode reworks that aren’t 1 life ramming into each other at full speed at 3000-4000 meters alt with games ending in 5-7 minutes flat.
You would make them overpowered as I already said. They are currently only really being restricted by this climb rate issue. If they no longer have a climb rate issue, they no longer have issues just dominating. Small things like the rudders on P-51s will not matter if you can consistently be above the opposition in a plane that is untouchable when its above the opposition.
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And the poor performance of pretty much everyone who plays em.
I have to 4.3+ on most nations, and U.S. certainly had the worst planes out of any of em.
It’s more what I said.
so then give everyone air spawn, and then give everyone a certain altitude based on historical implementation. 109s / FW190s on one side, with P51s and P47s, both spawning at 20k ft. bombers at 25k (after massive rework for bombers). if you spawn with ordinance you spawn closer to the ground.
this takes the bitching out of both sides.
have you heard of the F4U Corsair, the P-51H or the P-39?
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Lol no. The only players that think U.S. props are good are noobs who never played em. Even most tryhard pros who have almost exclusively games on U.S. planes and have pretty much mastered them admit that they’re not very good.
You wanna show us his service record on US props?