PT16 doesnt have DM33 but DM23.
It also has a smaller ready rack of just 9 shells compared to TKX(P)'s 14.
The replenishment speed seems to be the same (i.e. 5 business days per shell), but I am not sure (they did add the loading assist on PT 16 on DEV and it should be much, much faster, aswell as have the ability to semi-automatically reload with it but whether that happens remains to be seen)
Also ofc significantly worse armour but doesnt matter all that much.
It is still a major thing that restricts the vehicles abilitys
Minor nations’ premium players are better than TT players
At 11.0 it would be OP.
In my opinion it could go down to 11.7 though.
Almost never, it is .7 under and it get all the time full uptier to 12.7-13.0 territory.
SPAA that slings 75mm APFSDS faster with a radar, so with your logic it should be 13.0, right ?
For me it should be at the same BR.
Freccia have 10 of them.
I can just see that you’ve never played it, how can you tell it’s good then
It is already worst than the time the highesst premium was the Type-74 with thermal at 9.7.
11.3 was just good. It already had a bad k/d when it was at 11.7.
What ?
Sure, but that’s just anecdotal evidence.
At the BMPT BR it clearly does. And you can be killed by any sub caliber over 50.cal, artillery wise.
And the Leo PT16 is already way more suvivable than a 3 crew papersheet with an autoloader strapped to it.
But my point is not to show the TKXP is worst, I want to show that it should be a bit higher but not a whole ass BR. fighting 12.0 and 12.7 tanks is just not possible even more with future buff to relikt, new T90M, or MIA2C. and that wouldn’t even be a full uptier, so it will be just magnetized to those absurd games.
It is a tank thought about weight, mobility and a fast firing main gun.
That’s why it feels that way, it have been thought that way. It is nowhere close to the 12.0 other tanks. The MBT prototypes with auto-loader are at 11.0, this one is a tiny bit more decent and it goes at the woest BR in-game, stuck in fully upitered game with the best tanks in the world.
Yes because it is even worst because it got moved that fast to 12.0.
And that anecdotical evidence still show a - 0.3 in the k/d, that’s still gigantic. It is as drastic as the k/d of the BMPT falling after getting moved from 10.7.
And it not anecdotical, since the k/d haven’t changed but gotten even worst.
The overall type player level in Japan toptier.
You know the thing where the player by exemple of the PVO manages to have a k/d >1.0 with that insane tank.
When you give a premium of toptier, even more a good one, you give the grind an easy way. So people who either play the Type-90B for fun or to grind, way more people can get to the toptier. Before, only people with determination could finish the techtree, even more when the economy was way harder.
Now most player can easily grind Japan, and by more player, there are way less experienced player with the time of the grind. So worst player, and by worst player, worst k/d, win ratio, and all. As well as giving a single premium, those who plays it only have one, making the one death leave way more often. So you will get as well a game with 18 teammates in the first minute, >10 at the third.
Well I agree with TKX(P) being really overtiered in comparison to Type 90.
If anything, Type 90 would be the 12.0 with TKX(P) being the 11.7 not the other way around as it is now.
Sole advantages (against Type 90) are slightly better ufp armour, full reverse gears (matters a whopping 0 times) and significantly better optics, which I dont think outweigh having a absurdly poor transmission & abysmal steering aswell as a smaller ready rack.
TKX just needs mobility fix along with entire Type 10 family. Firepwoer is exceptional, with fixed mobility it is indeed 12.0 material if not higher, imo for now 12.0 is “ok whatever” for this tank. You won’t move this tank out of BMPT matchmaker because it would require it to go bellow 10.7 lmao, so basically any BR change is a cope one. It’s armor is so bad it really doesn’t matter where you put it.
leopard have 400 mm pen , no thermal ther turret armor iss 150-200 mm ful armor 150 mm , TKX(P) better round , have lws , thermal , the hull amror is tricky… turret armor same 300-600 so for this is 12.0 and no 11.0…
firepower is far from insane at 12.0. For 1sec slower you can shoot a dart suchas the Swedish m/95 or m829A2. Don’t forget this is a DM-33. And you fight Relikt, that is getting an insane buff in the next update, where it will do a gigantic difference with APFSDS that pen less than 500m.
And honestly if you do a race between a T-80BVM and a TKXP with a couple left or right you will loose. The mobility is not insane.
At 11.0 you fight something that can pen 200 more mm.
TKXP have an armor of 400-490mm on the turret front (if you are lucky enough to shot those armored spots), facing things that can pen 200 more mm as well, meaning it is just not a matter of tanking high caliber round.
PT16 have a decent armor against auto-canon, and the TKXP turret is filled with holes, a hulldown postion isn’t e nough to survive a BMPT or PVO, trust me.
Thats only until you get loader/2 members killed, which will happens often.
It will not? Angled side Relikt is already not advised to shoot, nothing changes after buff.
Never said it is.
Those are comparable as you asked me to list tanks shooting a dart.
HSVT-L and RDF-LT at 12.0, M1A2 have 5sec as well as IPM1, >Chally’s have 5 at lower BR’s, the PT16 at 11.0 also shoots dart every 4s, .3 ver is the Centauro 2 that slings DM-53 every 5s, every Ariete can shoot in 5, same for Merkava’s, CV90120-T sings 600mm dart every 5s at the same BR, and I might be missing some.
That’s a list.
The KE defense against those is almost gaining 150mm I think. And the armor on the side of a toptier Urssian is as well relikt, so when it is in a diamond position you will have top shoot those. That’s a shit argument.
so now measure vehicles performance vs bmpt autocanon or what?
Compare it to any 12.0, I’ll wait
much nations no have 12.0 vehicle onyl america have this lineup… ist basically mora a “light tank” with some turret armor fast , good reload , what u want to put in 11.3 under type 90?
The trash shell, horrbile transmition, trash armor for the BR ? There are tanks such as the Leo 2 PT16 that are just a somparable tank… at 11.0.
