The TKX(P) is far above it's BR

[30x170_APDS-T]

The TKX(P) was once the best tank from it’s BR. When it got out, at 10.3, was very quickly moved over and over, and is now sitting at 12.0 because of it’s exeptionnal reload compared to his BR braquet enemies…In the past. Tthe general reload buff in toptier tanks, modules nerfs, the BMPT at 11.7, and future even better toptier such as the M1A2 C, APS M1A2-Trophy and T-90M Arena-M (that is only .7 over; the TKXP is magnetized to it, it never have any downtiers), Relikt buff and others changed completely toptier; and the TKX(P) didn’t… nor it’s BR.

Can this justify a whole BR bracket over the other toptier MBT prototypes (MSC, Leo 2 PT16)?

TKX(P) is the earliest in-game prototype of the Type-10.
Even tho being close to other toptier MBT prototypes , all around 11.0,
the TKX(P) sits not only at a BR over ; but at 12.0, aka the BR with the most uptier games, and .7 under the most modern version of the best MBT’s.

Why is it this high ?
When it got out, no one grinded Japan for it, making it unpopular, and by this only in experienced players and (no premium could have made the grind easier to get to Japan 10.3.) So it was a very efficient tank in hand of the very efficient players.

It was indeed massively over performing, but going up to 12.0 is making it just bad.

With recent buff, the once insanely good autoloader is giving now only a couple second of difference against other MBT’s instead of the time it was giving you the time to shoot twice before the enemy could have reloaded his Merkava or Leo 2.
So the big difference is gone, and it is now just a worst tank in any way than other BR from it’s BR.

M1A2 is at the same 12.0, Oplot is 0.3 over it, T-80U are .3 under, BMPT .3 under, …
added to a non-existing lineup.

Does a single second quicker reload is an argument to put it a whole BR over the MSC and Leopard PT16/T14 mod. ?

It was once my most beloved tank, put putting it higher and higher is just making it unusable now.
12.0 is only full uptier against way better tanks, such as the incoming T-90M Arena, M1A2-C , M1A2 Trophy APS, …
those are only .7 over this.

My point of view is that the TKX(P) is extremely under armored.

Wiesel at 1km:

So I think the TKXP can be comparable to the MSC and PT16;
MSC is trading a better armor with a second more of reload and a slighty worst mobility,
and PT16 trading the thermal for a couple of armor and mobility.

Please be constructive in comments; and Make TKX(P) Great Again !

[YEARoftheABRAMS]

It should be 11.7 easily, but for some reason Gaijin thinks it is better than Type 90.

[Normandy_Corsair]

This tank is just better than every 10.7-11.0. Don’t know why you want to make it overpowered

[Константинович7]

Type 10 Prototype was battle rating 11.0, it was stupid, I took advantage of Gaijin’s ignorance, it was a kill fest given the battle rating and popularty of lower battle rating Premiums, it was full down tier matches after another. Type 10 Prototype being at battle rating 12.0 didn’t change a lot except you can’t take advantage of clueless players anymore, but regardless, still a powerful vehicle, only issue being the mobility which still unfixed, but 4,0-seconds long reload time, with JM33, definitely battle rating 12.0 worth. Some day when Gaijin decides that ground vehicles are compressed enough, and further expand maximum battle rating cap to battle rating 14.0 or so, maybe Type 10 Prototype will return to its glory as a sealclubber.

[Pangolin_Fan]

I love how Japan mains are caught between saying the Abrams is the strongest toptier tank for its fast reload, and saying the TKX and Type 10 are bad because their even faster reloads don’t make up for their shortcomings.

[30x170_APDS-T]

Because it is at 12.0 ?
I mean I’ll be glad to have it at 11.3.

[30x170_APDS-T]

It was at first 10.3; there it was just overpowered, overkilling 2A4 and stupid T72AV; both had between 7.1 and 8.+ seconds of reload.
Now they have 6.+ second.

PT16 is 11.0 with just better overall performances, just no thermal.
MSC is better armored, with 1 second of reload better.

I think it is overpowered because people who play it are.
Now, with the premium Type-90B, the overall level of japan toptier player isn’t what is was (still far from BMPT players thank God) and it will definetly be more competitive at 11.0-11.3.
There are no insane argument to give it a whole BR over the others. Maybe .3, not 1.0.

[30x170_APDS-T]

Well an Abrams can’t be LFP by a BT5 at 500m.
Or killed in the turret cheeks by a 3BM42 or DM33.
Abrams are good, even tho prefer the 2A7HU or 7v.

our ‘even faster reload’ of 1sec is the conterpart to worst depression, turret turn rate, way worst elevation, or just armor or overall survivability.

[30x170_APDS-T]

PT16 have a better mobility with the same shell (JM-33 is a licensed DM-33), MSC have somewhat the same
And plyaer still are clueless especially against Russia, but fighting a BMPT (.3 under it) or a T-72B3A (.3 over) is just not competitive.
It’s just that clueless players are now with better tanks.
And the reload is the only thing good but the thermal on such a tank at 12.0.

[Nowel]

@30x170_APDS-T

MSC is better armored, with 1 second of reload better.

The msc have worse armor and 2 s longer reload, and a worse round aswell.

[30x170_APDS-T]

Ok now try with a BMPT which is way more often than mango at 12.0.
At this BR if you don’t pen 90mm you pen 600mm.

MSC is 10x more enjoyable because it is not
The TKXP is just feeling all the time to uptier a lower BR tank. DM-33 struggle against every ERA, so facing a BMPT with… that ? In a downtier ?
And mobility isn’t something anymore on such tiny maps we have, and even tho in term of acceleration, the Type-10 family will never get the realistic mobility.
It have almost the same acceleration as a M1A2, and bleed all it’s energy in a single turn. Gajin cannot buff any minor nation unless something like the BMPT comes to nuke any BR.

[Nowel]

@30x170_APDS-T

Ok now try with a BMPT which is way more often than mango at 12.0.

Both can be killed by the bmpt

And againt 3bm60 the tkx still have better armour

[30x170_APDS-T]

Yeah but a BMPT shot at 0mm isn’t very realistic.
Just by playing it you see how the Type-10 family, even more the TKX(P) can’t deal with any autocannon. I’ve been 50cal in the turret side sometimes with the P, and it can be killed frontally by a LAVAD.
And please notice how the MSC have 10°/s better turret rotation and 20°/s more in elevation, 11 more rounds in the autoloader, and 20° of elevation when the Type-10’s are between -7 and 10.

And in the next update, you can now 50.cal the autolader and stabilizater of every type-10’s by shooting the new module outside the engine bay.

We can talk as well of the time to replenish the auto-loader, where one of the longest in-game is the japanese one.

If the TKXP is slighty looking up, you can 20mm AP his whole turret crew by shooting under the canon, it happens way more often than you think, especially against tanks such as the PVO.
The Hull down on the TKXP just doesn’t work, it’s full of stupid weakspots.

[Nowel]

@30x170_APDS-T

Yeah but a BMPT shot at 0mm isn’t very realistic.

The results are going to be the same, both have around the same armour on the lfp

@30x170_APDS-T

And please notice how the MSC have 10°/s better turret rotation and 20°/s more in elevation

The one and only advantage of the mcs

@30x170_APDS-T

Type-10’s are between -7 and 10.

You have hydroneumatic suspension, with that you get much better depression than the leclerc also the roof .50 cal is much better against helicopters

@30x170_APDS-T

11 more rounds in the autoloader

You get 10 nore not 11, and you also get 2 second longer reload and a worse round.

@30x170_APDS-T

We can talk as well of the time to replenish the auto-loader

Just check it and the mcs is as long

[30x170_APDS-T]

@Nowel_

You have hydroneumatic suspension, with that you get much better depression than the leclerc also the roof .50 cal is much better against helicopters

IT needs you to stop, use keybind and then after waiting for the suspension to get down it will work.
Conclusion: Unless you use a hull-down postion to camp, it won’t be useful.
And the size of the LFP is clearly way bigger on the TKXP.

[Normandy_Corsair]

It’s fine at 12.0. It doesn’t belong at 11.3

[Nowel]

@30x170_APDS-T

IT needs you to stop, use keybind and then after waiting for the suspension to get down it will work.

Still is an advantage, in the neutral position the mcs has almost the same depression 8º vs 7º, using the suspension you get well over 10º with the type 10

Also the type 10 gets much better thermals and optics aswell. And better reverse transmission, literally the sole advantage of the mcs is better gun handling and more ammo on the carrousel.

[somebody_Else]

It still is one of the best 12.0’s in the game

[30x170_APDS-T]

Ever played it for 10 games at that BR ?
For the same BR, I’ll clearly go to the M1A2, or Type-90B .3 under.

[30x170_APDS-T]

Both are 2 or 3rd gen thermal. Only difference is taht the commander have one. and the driver. So useful.
And the optic is 4.0x to 13.3x for the TKXP and 3.3-10x for the MSC. PT16 have 8.0x-15.9x at the same BR, just without thermal.
The difference isn’t so big between MSC and TKXP.