Strong armour, eh only in the hull really, great mobility, yeaaaaa there are others with similar, such as T-34/Panthers. Gun handling, yeah it’s gonna be above average but it’s got other drawbacks
Seriously there’s no drawbacks from just trying it out at 5.3 for a week and then 5.0 for a week and then it moves back to 5.7 until they decide what B.R. it sits fine at.
Look at the 4.7 B.R. ISU-152 that can block shots at 5.7 and even go up against bigger stuff. It has at least a 9/10 chance of blocking a shot whereas the T-34-85 has a v 6/10 chance to block a shot.
armor is far too trolly and the vehicle is far too well rounded with the gun/armor/mobility to all being good or better for it to be that low. 6.3 was fine but 5.7 or 6.0 is crazy
Eh I never played it so I don’t know, but from what I can tell from versing it, is that Tigers and Panthers are superior to it. The 85 seems underpowered, but I’ll take your word that 6.3 is good
Then that is a you issue FWD.
Type-4 Chi-To doesn’t have armor but its gun is good therefore if you know where to aim you will kill.
The same case applies to all medium tanks. If you know where to aim with your gun you will kill them. It’s no excuse. For example, the Jumbos while they are a heavy tank, a medium would have no trouble killing, but due to everyone complaining and other sorts, they got moved up and struggled to perform. Yet everyone including myself stated aim for the MG port it is still in the game one of its main weak points and with the ability to destroy someone’s bushes you have an even greater shot at hitting it. There is no excuse unless you are new to the game or were incredibly inactive and don’t understand that cannons have a thing called penetration and ballistics.
I’ve seen the same complaint for any vehicles people want to see said vehicle moved down or up because “They” think it’s not good or “Op”. Rather than thinking for a second if the vehicle itself is good without pushing their opinion into the case.
T-44 must be 6.3 to make soviets able to counter panthers not only with flanking
The long 88mm can’t pen the hull of T-44, only the turret cheeks which is credit card sized.
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The 90mm can pen panther only in the turret cheecks which is credit card sized
But but but, Panthers cannot reverse with its 0.000001 kph reverse speed, tall boi which means can’t rat, T-44 being a midget itself is a tiny target to hit. I do agree that the 85mm is shit at 6.7, too weak and trash. I’m OK with it being 6.3 bro, even the American’s 90mm M3 with a better pen also feels underwhelming at 6.7.
So t-44 must be 6.3 tank
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Prime example of skill issue.
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And then when T-44-85 face tiger 2, omfg I can’t pen them anywhere frontally bro I need to go behind and shot them in the ass. German: krill issues bro
The T-34-85 cant pen the Tiger II H anywhere from the front, the Tiger II P is easy but the H is invincible from the front to the 85mm. I have played both of them and should damn well know that.
German main delusions strike once again.
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German mains: hey hey hey bro t-44 is fast bro the turret turning rate is also fast bro there is no way you cannot flank tiger 2 H bro krill issues.
German mains2: haha noob please practice your aim bro you can shoot the barrel first, then track it and move to the side and one-shot it bro grill issues
German mains 3: just don’t get spotted bro wait for the tiger 2 H to drive past and expose its sides hehe
WE ALL WILL PROTECCC OUR FAVORITE NATIONS AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THEY DIDN’T GET NERFED BRO, IT’S A VERY NORMAL PHENOMENON BRO LIKE HOW WE ALL WILL PROTECC OUR CASH COWS FROM INTRUDERS!
I mean you can tho.
Its called APCR. Its very situational, but you can do it.
Doesn’t detract from the fact the Tiger 2 H is very strong, but its not like vehicles like the T-44 and T-34-85 don’t have the means to deal with it.
And said APCR can only pen it inside of a 100 meters at a very flat angle, usually only killing the gunner, which means you are dead anyway once a new one is placed.
You are better off shooting barrels and tracks and hoping they are alone so you can get on their side which usually isnt the case.
Which is when APCR comes into use.
The Panthers have exceptional UFPs, but not this exceptional. The T-44’s UFP can reliably bounce even the 128mm APHE from the Jagdtiger unless it is completely unangled. So tell me: how would you like to put Panthers at a BR where their UFP is essentially invulnerable even to large-calibre tank destroyers?
In fact, forget Germany. How many medium tanks in other tech trees get this level of frontal hull protection vs the “derp gun” tank destroyers they encounter? And perhaps even more importantly, how many get that level of protection, without sacrificing mobility?
That’s two of three key performance criteria where this tank is excellent. That’s why it’s at a BR where its gun is falling behind the curve. If that was also amazing, you’d have, say… the T-44-100, which is where it is for a reason.
And before I get comments like the following that try and delegitimise my opinion instead of addressing the actual arguments…
… religiously memorising weakspots is essential to play German 6.7 unless you want to go back to the hangar immediately. If it really was as you say, if I as a German main really wanted to complain about having to aim for weakspots, the T-44 is not where I would begin, now, would I? Object 268, IS-3, IS-4M, IS-6, T-10A, the American T29 and T34 (and other rarer variants), these are all tanks you can deal with just fine with both the long '88 and (especially) the PaK 44, but if you expect to just pont-click-lolpen them, you’re in for a very rude awakening.
So, no. I have no problem with the concept of weakspots. On the contrary it is what makes 6.7 my favourite BR. And for the record I much prefer going for the lower front plate when facing T-44s, unless it is hidden, because it is a lot more reliable than the turret (less subject to volumetric shenanigans). I’m fine with having to aim, in fact, I relish it.
But pretending that the T-44 deserves to go at a lower BR than the Panthers is utter and complete fantasy.
Just to further underline the idiocy of the stereotype:
I am strongly against the M26 moving up to 6.7. Make of that what you will.
Lets move the Panther 2 to 6.0 them, becuase is flat turret armor is even more easy to pen than the T-44 turret and when soviets fanboys start crying is just “skill issue” .