It has 9L or the preium with a even better fox 2, and Lightning II, that is thermal targeting pod with a better zoom. Seems fair to have a lower BR than it.
And AMX is pretty bad for that BR since it can’t be used agianst long range missiles such as the Osa, at 10.3. Might be the reason I almost never see them.
It’s performance is still much worse, which is why it is the same br, the SE is much faster and climbs much better, it literally allows you to out range things like the osa with even without the missiles. There is a reason as why they are the same br, as a cas the SE trades sligtly inferior kit for a much superior kinematics.
Btw the magic 1 are still pretty decent, at the end of the day they are one of the best rear aspect missiles, and the zoom of the altis is pretty good as well, 12,7-147 vs 12-98
Magic 1 is the best rear aspect short range missile, AIM-9G takes the cake for best long range rear aspect missile
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I personally prefer the pl5b, while slighly inferior at shorter ranges, the better range and acceleration makes up for it
‘Much better’ is not the term.
At low altitude, they have pretty much the same speed, only difference is at high altitude, but I don’t think you will go at 12km with a strike aircraft either in GRB or ARB.
And for the gun, the targetting pod with thermal is very useful is Sim, and the AMX has an all aspect missile with a better range.
And for the air-to-air, we say in french “il y a pas photo”, “there is no picture”.
At low altitude the SE is still faster and accelerates much better, specially loaded with 6 GBU at all altitudes, which does matter in GRB (which is what i am discussing).
Again i am discussing GRB br, not sim, there the gun and the all aspect missiles makes little diference…
Also the info from stat card means little
Yeah, Id consider them the “best” rear-aspect too
Nah, gunstrafing in a subsonic at 11.3 is really OP :P
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all apect makes a huge difference with a bad dogfighter such aa the AMX or the SE, since you don’t need to angage a dogfight with it, and the emeny is way less alerted with the lack of infos in GRB since there are no marquers.
I’m not saying rear-aspect needs a dogfight, but need an alignement behind the enemy, often letting enough time for him to hear an engine moving around him and getting close. In my experience, a jet needs a good 2-3 seconds to understand that someone is close, then he will almost automatically pull a high G tun and flare if he has a bit of experience. All aspect don’t need such preparation and can be fired imediatly as you are in range, letting way less time to react to the incoming engine sound
Again better a-a armament doesnt make much of a change in GRB for the br, whats the most influential in the br is the A-G armament, and the plane performance to a lesser extent
Technically the SEM is supersonic
Was thinking the AMX A-1A but yeah that is supersonic. In which case needs to be 11.3 too :P
more like transonic, you can’t really reach over mach 1.2, and at 6km.
I think we are getting back to the point where we say the AMX is at a too high br :D
Not if you compare what is actually at 10.3 which was my point, the sem simply dominate over any SAM at those br, a roland 3 has no hope againt this.
That’s why I think it should go to 10.7, which is a whole BR over the Roland; it won’t face the pantisr with such armament, same BR as tunguska, and not much chances to face Roland. But roland are deadly if they have Roland 3, and you get within the 8km max range.
Edit: just saw that you are supersonic, you will need to slow down bc the drop speed is Mach 1, making the difference tinnier with the AMX.
the solution is to target people who cant do that because they are already doing something else, like already in another dogfight or strafing ground targets (which the super etendard like the etendard before it is quite subpar at in air battles), because the super etendard is a bit slow to battlefield generally the furballs (which still mostly exists at the BRs its at) have already been established
and for ground rb people are often not very focused on what other planes exist so are easy to catch off guard
plus with the magic 1 you can fire it at close enough range that flares sometimes dont matter due to the missiles small fov
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The american and german roland are 10.0, not to mention things like the manpads, stormer or the asrad are still out ranged
You will face rolands more often than you currently face pantsirs, keep in mind that you only see them on a full uptier, also youre still outranging the tunguska aswell
Not really, at 8km the missile is basically falling off, realistically you wont be hitting much over 6km.
wait what
What’s the difference with the Roland 1 ? The radar ? THey both fire Roland 3, and the Roland 1 is actually better in terms of mobility
Stormer HVM is 10.3, and thz Starstreak is fast and have 7km range, even tho it don’t have a proxy fuze.
Most of my kills are beyond 6km with the Roland 1, if you don’t want the missile to wiggle to death, use the radar hub. The tracking is extremely good, and it correct the wiggle easely. It is actually less effective to me under 2km
2S6 can have 10km range, and I am happy that I don’t face S1 more often. SE would be just trash if it does.
They have tracking radar and better elevation, the french one is limited to 35º, but currently if you have it locked you can guide the missiles over 35º on the radar view
Thats because they dont fight defensively, even with the radar view, if you have a fast plane you can just go sideways or just turn around.
The missile is still the same as the 8km version, the only difference is the 5s longer guidance, the performance over 8km is also lackluster
There is also the Stormer AD which Nowel might be referencing. But I will say this about the Stormer HVM. 7km is reasonable for a heli, for a jet its more like 5-6km.
I did meant the HVM, still most saclos guided missiles, dont perfom that well at it maximun ranges, aside from the ones that leads automatically, like pantsir or tor, on the others you can see how the missile starts lagging behind the aircrafts at side/semi frontal aspects
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