I don’t think this is true.
You can fire those missiles outside of the range of most AA, turn 90 degres and kill them.
In my experience most players try to go for the plane instead of the easy kill missile.
To our luck those are extremly rare.
But i ageee it sits at a tough BR where puting it further down isn’t really a good option but using it isn’t either since the Mirage 2000 on 11.3 is one of the most busted planes in the game (and nobody talks about it).
what? so every missile is useless just because they can be avoided with countermeasures or maneuvers? its probably the best missile at 10.3 on a non terrible airframe and you get so many countermeasures
you dont have to shoot at someone that doesnt get flares (though there are a lot of them) just shoot it while the enemy is distracted its pretty basic missile usage
theyre also found on 14.0 jets, theyre great guns if you know how to use them (plus the defa 553 is earliest found on the super etendard (though im not sure the differences between the defas)
what were you planning on using it for anyway, it just gives away your position
and have it put to like 11.7? no thanks maybe on like a super etendard (late) or something
the chinese f104g exists
its not great stock ultimately and the magics are a rank 4 modification but once you’ve gotten them and some of the engine upgrades its an excellent multirole plane
no idea how it is in grb, but I feel the 11.0 is probably an artifact of pre-OSA times, and with the A-6E being 10.7 with more GBUs…
though with my experience in the AMX I can maybe understand it
at least it can be used with the jaguar now ig
its probably the best missile at 10.3 on a non terrible airframe and you get so many countermeasures
There still are loads of gun run at this BR since everyone don’t often have more than 2 or 4 missiles, and since it turn pretty dawn bad, with a bit of experience it is not fr from an easy kill. And for better missiles ? 30G’s all aspect missiles are disponible at lower or the same BR in 7 or 8 nations.
Just a part of thoses:
R-60M/MK:
-10.3 on su-25 and 25K, 11.0 on loads of mig-21 in germany, USSR and Finland,
-all Su-22/Su-17M4 have 6* R-60MK at 11.0
AIM-9L:
-10.3 on the A-10, 10.7,
-on the A-6,
-Buccaneer S2 at 10.7
-11.0 on the sweden F-5,
-11.0 on some first gen AV-8’s,
-10.7 on the british HAWK 200’ s,
-11.0 on the AJS-37
Well it’s harder in GRB when you can see in red eny enemies and all missiles as long as thy burn teir fuel
In end game or in Sim it is very usefull when the crew isn’t maxed. And not lany people have gigantic 2m wide screen foreyeballmaxxing the whole map
The lastest variant is the one with the sea radar and sligt better avionics, aka the one in game (SEM variant, for Super-Etendard Modernised. The SUE has an air-to-air radar, same as on early Mirage I think)
And I think since it doesn’t turn well, and isn’t made to turn well, all aspoect missiles wouldn’t be a destroying addition,(I mean not much would be, since the BMPT update)
Without talking about the poor italians haha
Good stats BTW, I don’t think I got some as good. But mine won’t be relevant since I think I’ve used it like 2 or 3 times in ARB and 4-5 times in sim.
Edit : here’s mine, but I mostly played it a long time ago, BR wasn’t the same. And there was no S1 I think (i don’t really now, I re-discovered the SEM a couple weeks ago
yep but after turning with a good speed and good altitude to get the 11km range, you will get in a 9-9,5km radius of the target, exposing yourself to trouble. And the sniper pod being not so good, you will need to do a weird move, being exposing your belly to them since it has a longer vertical range, and this will affect your RWR that won’t show anythings.
Amen.
but when they do they are not-touchable. So we need to get into very close CAS, exposing yourself to those insane 30mm tunguska canon or the fox2 such as the Strella. But I’ve been exploring this kind of gameplay, I would say you have a bit more of 1/2 chances to get alive after that, if the pod don’t lose lock and there isn’t 200 SPAA’s. We see that often with the free 2 slots given at 8.~+ BR.
Just for info, we have two Etendard in game, the first one is a Etendard IV M and the second one is a Super Etendard standard 4 (could also be called Super Etendard Modernise but this name is used for every Super Etendard after the standard 1). These are 2 really different aircraft.
As for the radar, the Etendard IV M have access to the Aida radar and the Super Etendard have access to the Anémone (witch should have a air to air research mode at least and a air to air TWS at best in addition to it’s current air to sea mode)
For the Super Etendard weapon loadout, it could carry Magic 2 irl, but I would rather prefer not having them since it would just overtier the plane to 11.3. If they want to add a variant with Magic they could just add a Super Etendard Standard 5.
Regarding the GBU 49, this variant of the Super Etendard just can’t carry it, it is a weapon that is only available on the Standard 5 (the Standard 5 add the Damoclès targeting pod and a gps system that allows it to carry and fire this bomb)
Finally, lets just say that the only weapons that the plane is really lacking is the Exocet
For more information on the Etendard family
Magic IIs would increase its BR from 10.3 to 11.3. That is why they werent added. It would totally kill this aircraft in air modes.
These would be fine given the 11.0 GRB BR already.
This is true on an aircraft level, but there is loads that could be done on a gamemode level to fix ARB and even ASB for ground attackers
at 10.3 and below, theyre only on subsonic airframes
its really not that bad, you bleed speed a bit, but youre in the best category of you can outturn anyone faster than you and you can outspeed anyone who can outturn you
my expereince in the super etendard is limited to arb so i wouldnt know
AS30L has an 11km range limit (with sufficient speed and altitude). This it sits right below the ADATS, ITO and flack rad ranges of 12km. It’s also well within the 16km range of the pantsir. The étendard facing pantsir is indeed quite nonsensical.
However AS30L are extremely potent against lower BR vehicles
Been playing the mirage recently. My AS30 get shot down about what, 10-20% of the time by 2S6 and OSA ? More rarely by roland as well. Tho I don’t remember the last time an otomatic successfully defended against me.
Overall, I do agree that the Étendard should go to 10.7 GRB, especially with the lack of magic 2. It would still sit at BR where most country have SAM to at least destroy the AS30L quite easily, while not having the étendard in BR range of SAM it just can’t do anything about
What BR is the Indian jaguar ? 11.3 ? The SeM is quite a bit worse, so it would probably end up at 11.0 then ?
Which would be pretty horrible balance wise. I’m a sucker for magic 2, but having 10.0 or even 10.3 facing them isn’t any fun.
I’m happy with the current Air RB rating. I thing it should go down just one notch in ground RB tho. 12.0 is pantsir territory - no subsonic jets should be within its range imo. Or have it go up as it should have gone since the day it was introduced
Im operating in the same mindset as 10.3 being the hard minimum BR for all-aspect IR, or 13.0 being the lowest BR for AMRAAM.
Whilst yes, the Su-25BM does operate at 11.0 with R-73… It is soviet… so… I just guessed it would probably end up at 11.3.
It has the same issue as a lot of ground attackers. The aircraft themselves are “fine” but the context they are operating in sucks. I hold much the same opinion for aircraft like the Buc S2. Great aircraft, fits 9.3 just fine… in theory. But in practice… the gamemode isnt there for it to actually… do anything.
Yeah. Does seem rather steep to me too, but alas… Gaijin
Or just more the Pantsir up, but alas… Gaijin
The étendard has the benefit of basically having the best non afterburning engine in the game, outperforming even some other afterburning planes found at like 9.0-10.0 BR. It’s also pretty fast, tho you won’t break any record. This added with its decent « dogfight » FM often makes it not worthwhile to get stuck in a dogfight. Hence why I don’t think 10.3 is that much of a problem. I also don’t think 10.0 would be game changer either way. Magic 1s are as much a problem for 9.0 than they are for 9.3 - and not much more of a problem than say r60.
Overall, in air RB it’s mid, and will remain mid whatever you do with it.
In ground, it’s both mid and overshadowed by the excellent Mirage 2000D-R1. 10.7 would make it more worthwhile - tho at the expense of the Jaguar. But then again, France doesn’t have a lineup at 10.7 - appart from the leopard 2A4.
My « 11.0 » lineup this has been upgraded to 11.3 for the mirage, and even with changes to the SeM, I’ll stick to this
Edit : alternatively for ground they could remove the AS30L, keep the 6 GBU loadout and drop it to 10.3. I don’t know if this would be overpowered - I don’t know if other planes have the same CAS capability with also a usable Flight model at this BR, but I do think there’s maybe some cards to play here
10.3 with 6gbu is probably too low, keep in mind that the AMX is 11.0, and super etendard is a much better platform
AMX is also over tiered imo. It does have pythons tho no ? Which are significantly better than Magic 1 overall
they have aim 9L, still as a cas the super etendard is simply better, the engine of the amx is anemic compared to the SM, still 10.3 is simply flar too low, most if not all cas with gbu has been uptiered, at 10.3, nothing really offers anything similar to 6 laser guided gbus, not to mention that 10.3 sams has no hope against it, even the tunguska can be out range easily by these.
9Ls for the TT one. MAA-1s for the Premium (which are a side-grade to 9Ls)
Also because of those it gets uptiered to 11.3 in GRB
Oh damn, never noticed, Ive only played it in ASB and GSB. Yeah, that is really really dumb. You would never use the AMX A-1A over the RET8
Wrong, just learn to use them
Yeah no you lost me there, that argument straight up doesn’t make any sense.
And the DEFAs are awesome, I’ll die on that hill
It has 9L or the preium with a even better fox 2, and Lightning II, that is thermal targeting pod with a better zoom. Seems fair to have a lower BR than it.
And AMX is pretty bad for that BR since it can’t be used agianst long range missiles such as the Osa, at 10.3. Might be the reason I almost never see them.
