just gonna drop this here, sorry its a screenshot of word, took it from localhost chat window, but yea, within ~44 seconds 3 KH38 slingers spawned and knocked out 11 players,
we didnt stand a chance.
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A typical match US vs Russia, stupid people from forum will say “skill issue” and yeah show me your skill in this situation please. After 4 mins they had the first spawn heli with AGM, then followed with su 34 and the game end in under 10 mins.
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Bruh 10 minutes? I have seen being spawncamped after 2-3 and i m not joking this is radicilous
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Hey, have you ever meet Pantsir? Answer me “Do Fox-3 launch alert in your RWR?” and “Do Pantsir missiles launch alert in your RWR? It’s missiles have smoke?”
Yes, but even so amraams can be launched from multiple arease, youre in a plane not a truck
Its just straight up unfair. ‘‘Skill issue’’ is just something people say because they have ZERO valid arguments about why its not OP (probably because most of them use the su 34 themselves and don’t want it to get nerfed.)
Entire teams get murdered within seconds. Killcam would only show the su 34 behind some trees flying to his airfield to do the same thing 3 minutes later.
Id say its game breaking, Warthunder was never ready for these kind of missles in my opinion…
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My skill is solid in my matches, win rate is disparity as that’s a unit of measurement for team skill.
@NEVERAGAIN_FTH
Ah yes, freeing up server resources, you’re showing them.
There is far more to War Thunder than 12.0 ground RB, you should play different BRs and different game modes.
Keep claiming NATO is biased though, all you do is discredit your own posts.
@Ro_Roan
Those claiming only Su-34 is OP are missing the plot.
This missile technology was added prior to Harrier GR7’s introduction in 2022.
Im sorry, i don’t quite understand what you meant. English is not my first language. Could you explain what you mean please?
Just to clear up, i do not play top tier CAS. I am researching the su 25, but dont plan on using it that much
I enjoy tanks. However I am not one of those players that thinks planes should be removed, in fact you can find me flying around the yak 3p often as anti cas and the fw190 with the 1000 bomb is one of my favorite.
Flying these props at least puts you in some danger of SPAA, the su 34 has no danger since the pantsir would be on its own team.
Pantsir S1 is the only reason that there are not many posts about OP NATO aircraft.
As someone who has played pantsir enough: Its pretty hard to counter unless you send 15 spikes in a heli towards it.
With ‘‘This missile technology’’ do you mean Fire and Forget?
Thanks.
CAS is a drain on your spawn points more than anything else. It’s nice to play, but for the effectiveness you can do more for less in a tank.
Pantsir S1 is incapable of fragging CAS with AGMs, it doesn’t have the range. It has the range against GBUs, just not F&F AGMs.
The reason few have complained about NATO CAS is cause they’re piloted by… people unwilling to learn CAS.
A good CAS pilot ignores the SPAA and targets tanks. Killing SPAA makes your already expensive spawn point use even more useless.
AGM-65D/G, Hammer, KH-38, and PGM /3 currently use the same seeker stats.
What I am saying is all IR AGMs are OP, no SPAA can defeat them or their skilled carriers, and Su-34 is just one of a dozen supersonic aircraft.
Hypocrite
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Please explain how im hypocrite here? I have looked at my message multiple times but I can’t find it.
Only thing i came up with is that i have not given arguments…
Firstly, Pantsir can eliminate nato AGM, GBU because those things fly slow (US AGMs have top speed about 0.9M), US also create less explosion, sometimes it takes more than 1 agm to kill a leopard or t90. Meanwhile kh 38s has top speed upto 2.2M and more explosive mass than AGM, that thing can kill you even you stay behind a rock. Only few nations have the spaa that can shot down agm and pantsir is on the top of the list.
Secondly who taught you to ignore the SPAA while using CAS? Spaa stand still for most of the time while tanks are continously moving around the map and hiding behind the obstacles. You ignore those spaa you will never have chance to fly high
Still waiting for Gaijin to implement the fix that was passed to the devs about AGM-65 speed they are currently way too slow compared to IRL .
No, Pantsir has the possibility of eliminating low-fired AGMs directly at it.
It can’t do it when they’re fired at tanks and from high altitude.
SPAA are not a threat to winning matches. Winning teams are what taught me, and I get to fly high because I ignore them.
They cannot kill me, and they can’t kill tanks, so there’s no reason to target them.
He has no idea what hypocrite means, but in any case, these are his stats in the Su-25SM3:
900+ ground kills and just 166 deaths.
Here’s his Su-34 stats:
So you pretty much nailed it, he’s calling you a hypocrite because he has zero valid arguments against your point of people having zero valid points about why Su-34 isn’t OP. He btw also mostly plays in squads whenever he’s not playing Russia himself, just so he doesn’t have to fight against Russia when he’s playing Israel or UK.
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As always with Russian mains, they cry because they want to keep their almost 80% win rate. Exactly the players who have no brains and only play OP stuff…
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Where do such numbers come from?
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SU34 is perfectly balanced, why?
- It doesnt have thermals
- Kh38 is very dead husky-hungry, it is very difficult to lock into someone that is standing near a dead tank
- Low clouds/Rain/Storm weather (which these times seems almost 2/3 of all matches) makes the SU34 nearly unusable, and forced into a very limited ATGM/bomb run
- SU34 is a brick, if there is an enemy plane you will most of the time die while looking at targets after a few seconds (no thermals, longer time to find targets). It carries 2 R77 and 2 R73, but what is that worth if there is an Eurofighter in space launching AIM120B as soon as you spawn, or a F16 hugging the ground after launching it’s payload WITH THERMALS to find enemies?
- If by some miracle you spawn early and scores some frags, the chances of dying on Airfield are extremely high if there is no other friendly plane up, afterall… high tier ground RB airports are basically helipads, absolutely no defense if someone goes to you while you are reloading/taking off.
- No alerts for Heat seaking missiles, so LAVS, Ozelot, Type 81 (and other SPAAs), helicopters, smokeless AIM9M carriers can easily get an SU34 that is busy looking for targets with NO THERMALS… and specially after the launch when you are turning back to airfield, which happens when you are already quite close to the airfield
There are very specific circunstances where SU34 will score 5+ kills in a single bombing run, and in these circuntances a F16/F15 would do just as well as the SU34.
Most of the times i go specifically after enemies alone (flankers and spawn killers) because they won’t have a dead husk nearby them, or SAMs chilling in their spawn, because shooting at an enemy in a contested area is quite the risk, the KH38 may go to a dead husk… to an ally as often happens when the enemy gets behind cover, or the enemy will simply die before it arrives.
Sorry bad english :)
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That just causes more problems and solves none.
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