The Pantsir should cost 700 sp then…to make it fair
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I hope to see more balance changes from gaijin, would be nice to see a major update that focuses on adding nothing but balancing everything currently in game, Gaijin has the ability to do so and we have seen some good change in their work. I just hope they will keep adding positive changes, but also to step back a little and fix plaguing issues with the game.
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i have top tier jets but you seem to think 700sp for a jet with amraams is somehow = to a 100sp pantsir. if your idea of AA for other nations is just spawn another jet then non pansir nations should get a 100sp spawn of a jets with no air to ground weapons and just missiles.
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Do keep in mind though that missiles like AMRAAMs are waaay more adaptive than Pantsir S1 missiles. give a nation like US or Sweden this privilege and you have another problem on your hand.
All of them were shut down by Russian mains, I got downvoted to hell on wt subreddit and in this forums as well, clowns keep claiming “F-15E is better cuz amrams go brr and 20 gps bombs == 20 kills ez”
yeah obviously its a stupid idea i didnt say it like it was a good thing just pointing out how dumb the just spawn a plane argument is
Then make it cost 200 then.
If the only counter for 9/10 nations is to spawn in an aircraft. Then that aircraft shouldn’t cost 10x more than the SPAA or 3x more than an MBT.
It should at most be equal to an MBT in spawn cost.
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I’d even be fine with it costing say, 500 (So people don’t first spawn ASF’s and turn GRB anymore into ARB-2.0 than it already is). Or alternatively, do make it cheaper, but set some sort of limit / rule that you can’t spawn an aircraft before at least spawning 1 ground vehicle.
It is currently absurd that I have to save 750odd SP to defend myself - whilst getting all my SP whittled down by the thing I need to defend against lol.
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I do agree in its current state Russia (at least at 12.0) is capable of complete air dominance and CAS superiority to some extent, depending on the team roster and what not, and US isn’t completely incompetent. And that adding lowered SP cost for missile boats would be a good idea to some extent, but then there should be some kind of constraints for them so that they can really only be effective against air targets (some air belts have ap rounds that could still be abused against ground units)
I see, mb, interpreted it as quite literal
When Su34 uses KH38, no one can surpass its efficiency, let alone it has six KH38, the strongest CAS and SPAA in the game are all in Russia, it’s really a “coincidence” XD
Definetly needs to be blocked from first spawn. That should be easy to do. But if CAP is to be considered the alternative to competitive SPAA, then it really can’t cost as much as it does now.
Had a match the other day, wanted to spawn in a FA2 to deal with the enemy CAS. I had about 500 SP, so 200 short of what was needed. Instead of just being bombed continuously I left the match.
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This is funny cause US been dominating in ground with CAS for months and no one bat an eye, now russia getting something broken in ground people start yapping about how broken it is. Then again , the issue could be resolve by nerfing CAS as whole not just the SU34. Raise the point cost of every CAS across the board and remove scouting reduce air spawn point. Add more SPAA for every nation , fix map and we good to go
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Very relateable.
I hate leaving matches whilst i still have SP / Vehicles to spawn, but i find myself doing this more lately too. Sometimes I feel like continuing to participate, is nothing more than offering oneself as an RP Pinata for a KH38 to smack.
Because the critical difference is, Russia actually has a 70-100sp SPAA capable of defeating F15/16.
Nobody else has an SPAA capable of defeating a well played Su-34.
The only ground based, SP affordable counter to KH-38’s is on the same team as the KH-38’s.
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Fixed it for you
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And please , let not pretend that Pansir actually work against semi competent CAS player. Because it clearly doesn’t, I am talking about every nation , not just USSR. Even before the SU34 get added the situation for ground vs CAS wasn’t good anyway
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That, I completely agree with.
Pantsir is like… the bare minimum of what’s required at top tier now. Everyone else is lagging behind massively.
It’s just created a sad situation now where best SPAA + Best CAS is on the same team. Even if you do earn the SP to get an ASF to counter Su-34, you constantly have to fly evasive / defensive to avoid Pantsir, meanwhile he has no such worries and can focus solely on you. And it’s not like Su-34 is defenceless, lame duck in A2A either.
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True
I really want them to just stop hand holding CAS player across the board. No matter what nation they playing , cause SPAA has never been a true counter to CAS player as a whole. Even with strong SPAA like Pantsir being added to russia , it is not as good as some player make it out to be. And minor nation without any real SPAA can suffer cope seeth and mald I guess. The problem of SU-34 being broken , don’t get me wrong it is bloody broken, can be solved by dealing with CAS/heli in ground battle. Not just nerf this vehicle nerf that vehicle cause it is simply gonna buy time before gaijin add more jet into the game
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