Did I said something about kh38?
While at it, look into the KH-38MT ))))
youre trying to prove that the site is outdated and therefore in the context of the conversation about Kh38MTs, what Kev posted is inadmissable.
Otherwise youre just arguing with Kev about the thermal generation of helicopters in this thread for no particular reason.
If Kh38MTs have been changed and they arent generation 3 like that site shows, since you said its outdated, i ask or urge you to find a changelog where gaijin have said that Kh38MT quality has been reduced and to what resolution/generation.
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Su-34 is def op for cas.
But honestly the issue isnt necessarily the plane but the fact that we have these tiny CoD maps and no proper counter in form of SAM for western nations + China. Su-34 isnt the only op cas plane imo.
Larger maps for top tier, more SAM systems (they exist), ACTUAL incentives to play anti air (rewards SUCK), also implement a time based bonus for SPAA players so there is an actual reason to use them as pre emptive countermeasure rather than only as a reaction to half the team getting back shotted.
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look at that!
Ok… massive skill issue of my part, i didn’t try the button since i play with the buttons bar closed and didn’t see there was actually an option to turn on thermals on the KH38, i take back what i said about no thermals.
I usually use the plane pod with better zoom since in ULQ that i play, trees don’t render when you are more than 8km, so the extra zoom helps a lot in these long range shots, just go fo spawn and spining positions, and it’s an easy 3 or 4 missiles launched in the first 15 seconds of being alive
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If you want to be objective, you should compare kh38mt zoom and thermal, with lightning 2 or 3 target pod. And not with the agm seeker which no one uses when there are great target pods.
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You want to compare? Good…
But why make an comparison which is not fair from the start… so we compare the KH-38MT with AGM-65G/D
KH-38MT:
Good TVD(Gen.3), good Zoom
AGM-65G/D:
Gen.1 TVD(trash) poor zoom…
Like sure, some planes have AGMs and T-Pod, but not all…
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What 12.7 grb plane has agm but no pod?
That has nothing to do with objectivity, its just you pushing the goalpost after failing every single time to reason anything. From ignoring the point of my arguments, to spinning narrative about points ive not even talked about, to then try and disprove things by saying “because helicopter thermals are outdated [false] posting thunderview that shows Su34 (related to Kh38 thermal sight) having gen 3 thermals is wrong” and are repeatedly shown to be wrong.
Ill entertain your “argument”; LITENING II and III are extra external pods that you have to equip and on their own dont do much, unlike the built in thermal sight with ~25x zoom of the 38MT. (I would like you to get a kill by looking at things really hard with only the LITENING pod.)
Additionally even with targetting pod such as litening 2 or 3 youre not going to get a tracking lock with mavericks past 11-12 kilometers and instead you will have to use point lock. (I do hope you know what point lock means)
While were at the objectivity of you talking about different AGMs, id genuinely like to see you come up with an argument about how other AGMs shot out with the help of the litening 2 or 3 at the same long distance as Kh38 would perform in any way similar to the missile that is Kh38.
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F-4F ICE for Example… or F-16AJ
I said 12.7 battle rating in ground rb, not in air rb.
P.S why you deleted those 3 letters “grb” from my quote?
F16 AJ dosent even get normal camera its just black and white
F16 AJ is 12.0 and F-4F ice is 11.7
Plus the KH-38s have 3x the explosive mass of the AGM-65s. KH-38s are practically guaranteed kills whereas the AGM-65s are hit simulators against MBTs.
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You could immediately say that you came here just to cry about how op kh38mt is, how bad your spa is, and everything is incoherent. Yes, kh38mt op. I never said otherwise. And what can you do about it? Well, nothing, just put up with it and find a way to fight them
Are you projecting something? Noone here is crying, this is literally a game discussion on the topic of Su34 and by proxy Kh38MTs, which is why people are literally talking about said things.
Pretty much every single one of my messages here were replies quoting things people have said and adding a rebuttal, why on gods green earth would this be crying???
Did you run out of things to say so now you just hop to accusing people of crying about things when they are talking about the very thing this thread is about?
What a joke.
Ok, let’s start from the beginning.
First of all, I just wrote how that man was able to fly all of us at 5 km height and not get a single fox3 missile in his direction.
Second.
I saw that 3+ gen thermal near the helicopter, and I wrote that it was old. I was so wrong, okay
What did you replied to me? I don’t see any change to kh38 blah blah blah, when I didn’t even mention kh38.
Thrid.
When I told you to compare the kh38 seeker with the litening pod, because you came up with a table where it is clearly visible that you want to compare the kh38 internal seeker with the agm, and thus show, how much zoom and thermal the kh38 is better than the agm. You said, that that the litening pod does not affect the agm lock distance, bla bla bla. And did we even talk about lock distance at all? It was about thermal and zoom. And other bull**** like litening pod NEED TO EQUIP. Who the **** using internal agm seeker instead of insane target pod.
And from all of this, I decide that you just came to cry about how unfair this game is in your opinion. But nothing, I forgive you everything.
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which was not important at all to the talk about the zoom or the thermal sight of the missile, were going in circles here.
YOURE IN A THREAD ABOUT SU34 AND BY PROXIMITY KH38, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HELICOPTERS DO SO IN A THREAD THATS RELATED TO THAT HOLY SHIT.
Gee who would have thought that an additional targetting pod you have to equip is better than a built in thermal camera in a missile. The difference which is escaping you that the Kh38 seeker ACTS as a pseudo targetting pod, with good enough zoom to shoot at distance and generation 3 thermal imager.
i dont give a shit what you decided, i replied to a dude saying Su34 doesnt have thermal sight, then further expanded on that with pictures and videos. You came in, replied to me, said “theres not a fox 3 shot at him”
as if it was related to literally anything about what i was talking about and went on your merry way. I dont know what you are trying to spin here but you can literally scroll up and READ how this shit started.
So your idea of my crying about shit when i literally have told you the most basic facts of the missile having gen 3 thermals with 25x zoom, the missile outranging every NATO SPAA ingame and being vastly superior to its contemporaries is fucking hilarious.
I am genuinely starting to get bored of this shit.
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