I’d say that it’s a multi position scale with AGMs on separate cups on one side, and SPAA on the other.
And IR seekers being identical, the scale will lean toward AGM-65s/Hammer/KH-38 relatively evenly.
IF and when Gaijin expands the 20km game limit, AND separates the IR seekers to their own stats, my statements will change.
I’ve stated previously [tho likely not to you] if we get 20km SPAA, the 20km game limit is fixed, and we get 25+km range IR seekers, that those IR AGMs will be more powerful than all existing AGMs at this time.
Then you missed the point on what that scale represents. Is the agm-65 equal to the KH38, in terms of effectiveness?
No. I have yet to see any CC or any honest person suggest that the agm-65 come anywhere near the the KH38’s effectiveness. Anyone who says otherwise is being dishonest or rage baiting.
I think you are understating the value/impact that IOG has.
AGM-65 can be defeated using smoke fairly easily. If you see something like an F-16 firing off AGM-65s, pop smoke and you are safe. Their relatively low speed also gives you way more time to notice and react to the threat.
KH-38s and AASMs have the IOG meaning you need to take far more steps to defend, including moving from your previous direction and if you were already in motion changing direction ontop of smoking. Ideally you want to find some cover. KH-38s are blisteringly fast and give almost no meaningful time to react to the threat.
To date, the “justification” for such effective AGMs has been the “poor” performance of the launch platforms, this was the case with the SU-25SM3 but barely with the SU-34. Su-30SM has 0 limitations and such the difference in performance is rather deeply felt.
Combine with the fact that the only nation with any truely meaningful SPAA is the soviets with the Pantsir, them also having the best AGMs and often widely considered the best Helis is an annoying combo.
Finally, Gaijin full on removed any semblence of FnF from the Brimstones “because they would be too good” but the KH-38s retained their IOG despite how strong it is and almost every argument they used for the Brimstones could easily be applied to the KH-38 and too a lesser degree any other AGM with IOG. Its just… frustrating, this double standard.
Some form of Mitigation is certainly needed to help level the playing field. My prefered method is the removal of IOG from all AGMs for the exact same reason MMW has been denied for the Brimstone and returned at the same time as the introduction of MMW.
I mean, I always fail to notice an AGM in the air cause no warnings.
I just play in a manner that reduces the chances of being spotted from the air.
The 2 times KH-38s were launched at me, one was on Carpathians in my favorite spot I camp at, and the other I was in my Black Night and Iron Fist destroyed the KH-38 before it got close enough.
okay 12 KH 38 fnf
Gaijin “totally fine”
but Brimstone FnF
“iT tOo aDvaNcE fOr ThE gAme”
hypocrite double standard at its finest
at this point mmW brimstone is justify
but no Russian is the only one who should be able to wipe out entire team of ground force in one run at this point
tbh, I have no idea, maybe people are combining the fact that you can spawn with the su30sm and after you die you can just get the su34 with more 6 kh38s? idk
yup, but it almost seems like the su30sm could carry 12 kh38s lol, so I felt the need to correct that
(there are also people saying that the su30sm can carry 14 fox 3, it can’t, the maximum is 12 r77-1 + 2 r73)
Pantsir is itself not strong enough to deal with CAS anywhere close to consistently.
All 10 tech trees need 18km CAS BETTER than Pantsir, not as good, better.
Soviets currently don’t have CAS superior to that of all other tech trees [on-par is not superior], and that cost poposal is clearly just your post praising Russia as the best in the world when it’s not.
Yet another post praising the Soviets instead of accepting reality that SPAA is useless against all CAS right now.
Here’s some math BTW:
2nd spawn tank is 200SP. If you’re a particularly good player you’ll get 3 frags.
That’s 33.4 SP per frag in the first spawn, 66.7 in the 2nd, and in the 3rd it costs 300 or 400.
A CAS with 6 IR AGMs costs 950 SP, and if you’re particularly good you’ll get 6 frags before a plane shoots you down. That’s 158.4 SP per frag.
CAS IS OP for all tech trees, that fact doesn’t change no matter what propaganda about the Soviets are in your mind or posts.
And despite that, tanks cost less per frag and are more effective despite not being OP.
@KYoo
“Russian CAS is OP, that’s why their players are more skilled than everyone else according to anecdotes.”
No, win-rate AKA team skill, has nothing to do with vehicles being more powerful or not.
