for 13.0 and less ? yes
more than that no
There’s no point in writing a comment that dude can’t read
oh what did i miss then ?
Go back to my ef comment and read it again and then look at your pathetic attempt of a refutation
i clearly respond to you comment who was clearly stupid since you were talking about the before eft buff.
the current 14.3 eft has 120c5, why should based the changes on a past rather than present.
completly stupid and pathetic
racimazzedine reading through the thread i gotta ask, english isnt your first language correct?
yeah its my 4th one sadly, sorry about that
You don’t even realise how Mentally impaired your comments are lmao
So, continuing on that, do you think that statement
“IR missiles dont count you should know how to defeat them”
is the same as
“IR missiles are less important at ARH BRs”?
oh ok so please do explain yourself
they both important
its just that they are less used in this br.
Right i see where the problem is
Because this certainly wasnt said by you initially.
This is saying they are less important, which is perfectly valid statement.
Saying they dont count implies they have no value whatsoever.
i said that after 13.3, using ir missile as a br balance is not the way to do.
su30mkk have 4 pl8b while j8f have 6 of them is the perefct exemple.
No plane above 13.3 is IR only tho, and you have to consider entire kit, not just ARHs, but IRs as well, even if they are secondary ;)
And you cannot really argue that “IRs dont count you should be able to defeat them” since you can defeat ARHs as well.
By logic that “X doesnt count since you can defeat it”, only cannon should count since you cannot flare nor chaff a 20mm round.
that exactly my point.
You see my confusion came from the fact that you said IRs dont count whatsoever, not that they are relegated to being secondary armament.
Thats why I asked you to confirm back at the start of this thread.
they do count for sure
see i think i didnt say my point clearly, its was about people who complain and do everything for a change. su30mk series for exemple, they look insane right ? but half of the stuff you should clearly know how to defend against them, bcz if have reached 13.3 without knowing how to pre flare a irccm missile, that look like its the problem of the user rather then the plane itself.
I’d say the Su-30MKK is a meaningful sidegrade to the Su-27SM at 13.7, 2 fewer missiles, but better missiles (R-77 compared to PL-12).
Both Sukhois are a notable upgrade to some of the 13.3 planes, especially the JF-17 and F-16A ADF. They are both lacking 4 missiles in comparison, with the JF-17 especially having two less ARH and IR missiles.
A big difference is the lack of HMD on both of the planes, giving them a distinct disadvantage in most engagements.
The Sukhois are very clearly the absolute best 13.3 planes and are on par with 13.7 planes. Bringing them up would make the 12.3-13.3 bracket much more healthy while not making it unfair (balance wise) for the sukhoi owners.
But again, same can be said about them not being able to notch SARH/ARH.
The logic is the same.
Its the same as if you were comparing two prop fighters and argument was “as long as pilot doesnt do X he always wins”.
That argument is flawed.
You are not always in position to do X, be it energy trap your opponent, notch ARH/SARH missile or preflare IRCCM missile.
Theres million reasons as to why.
Is R-27ET easy to flare if you know its coming? ie. in perfect scenario? Absolutely.
Hell, in perfect scenario, Spitfire will always beat Eurofighter Typhoon if Spitfire knows whats he is doing and Typhoon does everything wrong.
But you wont always be in perfect scenario. You wont always know theres R-27ET coming to slamdunk you. Just as you wont always have neccesary energy to defeat SARH/ARH or have neccesary speed/alt advantage to energy trap your opponent.
Thus the argument “IR missiles dont count because you should know how to defeat them” cant really stand.
And MKK missile payload needs to be considered IRs included.
And yes, that makes MKK a monster when compared to other 13.3s.
