they both important
its just that they are less used in this br.
Right i see where the problem is
Because this certainly wasnt said by you initially.
This is saying they are less important, which is perfectly valid statement.
Saying they dont count implies they have no value whatsoever.
i said that after 13.3, using ir missile as a br balance is not the way to do.
su30mkk have 4 pl8b while j8f have 6 of them is the perefct exemple.
No plane above 13.3 is IR only tho, and you have to consider entire kit, not just ARHs, but IRs as well, even if they are secondary ;)
And you cannot really argue that “IRs dont count you should be able to defeat them” since you can defeat ARHs as well.
By logic that “X doesnt count since you can defeat it”, only cannon should count since you cannot flare nor chaff a 20mm round.
that exactly my point.
You see my confusion came from the fact that you said IRs dont count whatsoever, not that they are relegated to being secondary armament.
Thats why I asked you to confirm back at the start of this thread.
they do count for sure
see i think i didnt say my point clearly, its was about people who complain and do everything for a change. su30mk series for exemple, they look insane right ? but half of the stuff you should clearly know how to defend against them, bcz if have reached 13.3 without knowing how to pre flare a irccm missile, that look like its the problem of the user rather then the plane itself.
I’d say the Su-30MKK is a meaningful sidegrade to the Su-27SM at 13.7, 2 fewer missiles, but better missiles (R-77 compared to PL-12).
Both Sukhois are a notable upgrade to some of the 13.3 planes, especially the JF-17 and F-16A ADF. They are both lacking 4 missiles in comparison, with the JF-17 especially having two less ARH and IR missiles.
A big difference is the lack of HMD on both of the planes, giving them a distinct disadvantage in most engagements.
The Sukhois are very clearly the absolute best 13.3 planes and are on par with 13.7 planes. Bringing them up would make the 12.3-13.3 bracket much more healthy while not making it unfair (balance wise) for the sukhoi owners.
But again, same can be said about them not being able to notch SARH/ARH.
The logic is the same.
Its the same as if you were comparing two prop fighters and argument was “as long as pilot doesnt do X he always wins”.
That argument is flawed.
You are not always in position to do X, be it energy trap your opponent, notch ARH/SARH missile or preflare IRCCM missile.
Theres million reasons as to why.
Is R-27ET easy to flare if you know its coming? ie. in perfect scenario? Absolutely.
Hell, in perfect scenario, Spitfire will always beat Eurofighter Typhoon if Spitfire knows whats he is doing and Typhoon does everything wrong.
But you wont always be in perfect scenario. You wont always know theres R-27ET coming to slamdunk you. Just as you wont always have neccesary energy to defeat SARH/ARH or have neccesary speed/alt advantage to energy trap your opponent.
Thus the argument “IR missiles dont count because you should know how to defeat them” cant really stand.
And MKK missile payload needs to be considered IRs included.
And yes, that makes MKK a monster when compared to other 13.3s.
Where is this from, there’s no way my stats in 11b is that good. It was the worst of all the flanked I have
It’s funny I get it, but being this much hypocritical in the first place paints a bad picture about your character.
All time yes,
Look the Session tab and filter by 2026 only.
Clearly you’re doing better than before. Mayhapse because stock grind was excluded?
your using low matches number stats, who are always op
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Wow I had one or 2 sessions that were good.
Why would you not use all time stats.
One session can go good another one can go bad
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All right, let’s use All-time.
5.5KD with 76.9% win rate arguing that “all flankers except for J-11B should be upped in BR” still kinda stinks, no?
Yeah but look at my sr rating, it’s still worse than j11a and su27sm with worse missiles.
R77 and r73 so much better than pl12 and pl8b.
Also compare them to my su-30 or other flankers stats they’re a bit worse worse, those things should go up
speaking of pl12
they might be broken now, lose lock at 12km.
i cant play with it on mkk
Really?probably targets are notching or something