eh im defending gaijin and all, but theyre still a bit lazy, easier to use a radar thats already in game than add a new one ig
However, Gaijin also doesn’t know the specific parameters of the typhoon’s AESA radar. But that doesn’t stop them from fabricating some numbers for it anyway. That’s why I say that Gaijin only refers to “real-world data” when discussing Chinese vehicles. Since the performance of the J-15T clearly isn’t at the 14.7 level, they still refuse to make any reasonable adjustments or optimizations to it. I agree with most Chinese players: this is deliberate.
yeah but there is significantly more information about it, so its a lot easier to make that minimum possible assumption than compared to a radar we know nothing about
In the game, there isn’t any fundamental difference between PESA and AESA radar systems. If we’re to make a “reasonable inference,” it would be more logical to base that inference on the radar of the Su-30SM2, which has a similar diameter. While its scanning angle is certainly not 120 degrees, at least the sizes of their radars are comparable. It wouldn’t be appropriate to draw conclusions based on a radar with a much smaller diameter, as its performance would likely be inferior to that of the J-15T’s own radar.
To sum up, my main point is this: The J-15T needs to have its radar’s scanning range improved, and the performance of the PL-12A missile also needs to be enhanced (though I won’t go into too much detail about this in this post). Given the overall poor performance of the J-15T, it’s completely logical to upgrade its radar. Without continuous radar guidance, the PL-12A performs just as well as the regular PL-12 missile. That’s why I believe the J-15T requires an improved radar scanning range.
improved in what way, azimuth coverage or purely range?
? Literally the only thing “wrong” about them is scan speed. Everything else is correct.
Yet, ECCM should be stronger on AESA when it comes
Difference is theres lot more to go off with typhoons AESA so educated guess is entirely reasonable for the few piecee of information we dont have.
As far as i know we simply dont know even the name of J-15T radar.
Logically, whats the more sound choice - to make the radar perform at least on the level of radar we know the specs of and buff it once more info becomes aviable; or make some stuff up about the J-15T radar and then possibly massively nerf it as more info becomes aviable?
Angle，not range.My translation make a mistake.
The difference between AESA and PESA is a technical issue related to Gaijin’s development. Neither of us is proficient in coding, so all I can do is offer suggestions.
There are a number of primary and secondary sources for it. Though it’s scan rate should be about triple what it is currently.
Gaijin could easily adopt the naming convention used for the KLJ-10A and call the J-15T’s radar the KLJ-15. After all, that’s exactly what they’ve done already. There’s also no information available regarding the K/RKZ2200. It seems to be identical to the KJ8602A. Making some reasonable modifications isn’t a big problem at all. Given that the J-15T’s current performance isn’t sufficient for it to be classified as a Level 14.7 aircraft, it makes sense to make necessary improvements. It’s always possible to adjust things later once more information becomes available.
By how much though?
70 degrees is not horrible, more than that would put it on par with the ECRS, but the Captor E has some videoproof to show its azimuth coverage.
If no data is available for the J-15T radar I think it’s gonna be near impossible to convince Gaijin in making changes for it.
This is what I want to say: You can’t apply “real-world logic” only to certain types of vehicles. Is the performance of the J-15T sufficient for a level 14.7 aircraft? No. So shouldn’t it be given some enhancements?
This isn’t something I should consider. It’s Gaijin’s responsibility to address this issue. This is a game, and games need to maintain balance. Clearly, the J-15T is too weak at level 14.7—that’s not balanced at all. It’s reasonable to make some adjustments to improve its performance before we have more detailed information available.
70 degrees isn’t that scary at all—the gusts are also 70 degrees. However, 70 degrees becomes a serious problem for the J-15T. Why? Because the Rafale is much faster than the J-15T. Since the PL-12A doesn’t have enhanced propulsion, it relies on radar guidance to operate at its maximum efficiency. During defensive maneuvers, the J-15T must disengage from radar guidance, while the Su-30SM2 and Typhoon can continue to use radar guidance. So why is the Rafale still effective even with 70-degree radar angles? It’s because of its speed—it gives the MICA missile enough initial velocity, reducing the enemy’s reaction time. Additionally, the MICA’s superior anti-jamming capabilities mean that 70-degree radar angles don’t pose a problem at all.
Sure, but what you are proposing is far from “reasonable” modification.
its one thing to guesstimate 1 out 10 things about radars performance.
Its entirely different matter to conjure entirely fictional radar and just make stuff up.
or lower its BR to 14.3 (which would allow it to be matched with the 13.3 premium Su30s, ie. giving it more favorable matchmaker), before deciding on adopting fabricated buffs.
now imagine the radar is made to perform in some way (say, gaijin copies Su-30SM2 radar), and later info is revealed that the J-15T radar peforms worse. So, either gaijin keeps it in ariticially buffed state (unreasonable) or nerfs the radar - which will cause issues among the playerbase, and no offense to you personally, especially chinese playerbase, seeing what happened with thai VT-4.
True. The logic should be applied accross all vehicles. Id start by removing the wireless belts on BMPT.
is it? PL-12s already outpeform AMRAAMs at most standard combat ranges (with AMRAAMs being better only at long range and if you get hit at long range its not plane issue), not familiar with J-15T flight model yet.
Im not saying J-15T is 14.7 material, but I have yet to see how it performs before any judgment can be passed.
is it?
why not adjust its BR first to see if the performance improves instead of outright resorting to artificial buffs?
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Given we have no data on the J15 to give it accurate or even estimated radar capabilities (let alone the later variants of the J11 such as the BG, H or D), in combination with the fact it is very much a plane that was designed around ECM rather than deployable countermeasures - it all adds up to be a very strange and honestly unnecessary addition to the game’s current state.
Would of rather had more fixes toward the J10C or even getting a new munition than this DOA jet.
Since I don’t know how to quote your words on the mobile page, I can only answer your questions one by one.
The only change I’ve clearly proposed is to increase the radar angle, for example, from 70 degrees to 90 degrees. As for other aspects related to the radar’s functionality, I haven’t suggested any changes. This includes things like the number of DLs or the refresh rate.
2. Reducing the BR seems like a good solution as well. But when will China’s 14.7 model aircraft be available? Why do Chinese aircraft repeatedly choose to reduce the BR rating rather than improving performance? As the world’s most advanced flank fighter, the J-15T could have been capable of meeting the requirements of the 14.7 model. However, Gaijin has messed things up completely.
3. In my opinion, if Gaijin decides to make changes after obtaining accurate and reliable information (not from Jane’s), then I have no objections. A well-founded modification is not the same as releasing Chinese military vehicles to Japan during a Chinese military parade, given the sensitivity of that situation.
4. Gaijin cannot provide a “minimum estimate” that applies equally to all vehicles, including those from Russia. Therefore, I can only ask Gaijin to apply the same enhancement to all vehicles.
Sorry, I forgot to answer the question about the PL-12A. Here’s my response: Based on my personal experience, the PL-12A performs quite well at close ranges (within 20 km) when guided by radar. However, since the J-15T isn’t capable of providing sufficient speed for the PL-12A to strike targets at longer distances, it also can’t maintain guidance of the missile. This results in a frustrating gameplay experience, which is a common issue mentioned in Chinese forums.