All 12.0 Jets should lose their R-27ER and gaijin should add R73 as a compensation.
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It’s not a problem if it’s realistic. Why do you think everyone’s glued to the ground? This will get even worse with the addition of new Fox 3s.
Even with the missiles you can defeat more easily, accurate rolls with high energy, accurate notching in the midst of the kerfuffle are hard to do - yes against single enemy, not against 16 at all sides, so you want to eliminate one source of threat anyways.
Yes, it’s boring and limiting but this is the way flying works when missiles become really good. It’s not that much of a plane pilot thing now - now it’s a match between BVR radar and the missiles.
If you hate this just keep yourself at 10.7, 11.0 or whatever is the level you see Migs 23 armed with R-27ER reasonably rarely
No, they shouldn’t be moved to 12.7 as you desire.
They need to stay 12.0.
I said they should stay and 12.0 but without R-27ER. R73 can compensate the loss of R-27ER.
No it isn’t. R-73 makes them 12.7, see Mig-29SMT and Mig-29G.
R-27ER is what makes them 12.0, without it they’re 11.7.
I would very much like to know how.
If I get an R27 shot at me and I am not below 60 meters, I very simply die.
I put the launching aircraft at either 9 or 3 o clock precisely using my RWR but the missile is never notched, it always tracks and just straight up kills me.
I do not understand what I am doing wrong
You need to chaff and then change directions as well. Notching won’t make you invisible.
I try to fly at Fox3 levels on maps like Afghanistan (Sim EC) - nothing better to defend against a missile than putting a mountain in its path… ;-)
I think if we were to meet in air RB you would be saying otherwise.
One likely culript is you are possibly actually notching correctly but not moving to avoid the IOG guidance by the R27ER. IOG means it will predict your path when it loses lock based on your current speed/direction. To avoid this you should hold the notch angle but change altitude after it loses lock.
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Post has been updated with a better statement.
I’d defeat your radar and missile though as I’ve done with everyone else.
I do believe if you were given a perfect scenario you could avoid a R27ER consistently, ie you are at an appropriate range to give time to turn to notch or you were given a mostly flat area to multipath with. Your problem is thinking you can’t die to these very effective missiles when things hit the fan during a match and you get caught out of position due to external factors.
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This is still misleading because R27ERs have far more fallback measures like IOG and the ability to re-lock after lock loss where the AIM-7F/M has to have an unbroken, consistent, solid lock for the entire flight path because if it breaks it only has a tiny window to re-lock and re-acquire.
I mean I don’t really see the problem to be fair yeah R 27ER is the best fox one missiles but that’s balanced by Russian planes having shity FM
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as an example the su-27 is supposed to have one of the best instantaneous turns but in war thunder it gets outperformed by pretty much everyone and it bleeds speed worse than mirage 2k
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if aim7m got relock after launch it would be more usable like r27er, but then again who still uses 7m when aim120 has more range and is fox 3, and 7F is kinda too low br to be balanced with relock after launch
I assume the aircraft that have AIM-7Ms but not AIM-120s
now that russian aircraft are no longer “overpowered”, CAN WE GET THE FM’s FIXED GAIJIN?
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Planes that don’t have AMRAAMs?